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Tesla New Battery Pack
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Tesla New Battery Pack
Dang, you have to buy a new model car to get the new battery?? So it seems to say
Yes, this is only for the Tesla owners or new buyers.
The EV has a long way to go to be in a mass market. I would expect too that fossil fuel providers will keep their prices low until they exhaust all easily extracted fossil fuels.
This will be a challenge to the philosophy of the free market system. The diverse ideals of generating profit vs. the need to control environment degradation.
hank:Dang, you have to buy a new model car to get the new battery?? So it seems to say
the new Model S P100D—thanks to the new battery pack— … at 315 miles, it has the longest range
Yes, this is only for the Tesla owners or new buyers.
The EV has a long way to go to be in a mass market. I would expect too that fossil fuel providers will keep their prices low until they exhaust all easily extracted fossil fuels.
This will be a challenge to the philosophy of the free market system. The diverse ideals of generating profit vs. the need to control environment degradation.
Not really, consumers will go electric as the economics and availability improve. I was impressed at 400k pre orders before the car even exists, so was Tesla, the did not expect such a huge pent up demand.
If no one wanted it then there would be a collective yawn at the Bolt instead of the fawning interest.
I don’t know if anyone caught this:
The Model 3 will have new lithium-ion batteries made at Tesla’s Gigafactory outside of Reno, Nevada. Those batteries will be bigger (wider and longer) than the traditional ones, packing more materials into each battery.
I took this to mean each individual cell. As it is stated it would be the battery pack on a whole that is bigger.
I don’t know if anyone caught this:
The article:The Model 3 will have new lithium-ion batteries made at Tesla’s Gigafactory outside of Reno, Nevada. Those batteries will be bigger (wider and longer) than the traditional ones, packing more materials into each battery.
I took this to mean each individual cell. As it is stated it would be the battery pack on a whole that is bigger.
The car company will make bigger lithium-ion batteries at the factory.
As a side note the GM EV car is named the Volt; is the name being used in the last few comments has been ‘Bolt’. Is this a tongue in cheek expression?
I don’t know if anyone caught this:
The article:The Model 3 will have new lithium-ion batteries made at Tesla’s Gigafactory outside of Reno, Nevada. Those batteries will be bigger (wider and longer) than the traditional ones, packing more materials into each battery.
I took this to mean each individual cell. As it is stated it would be the battery pack on a whole that is bigger.
They are going to 21700 cells, this has been extensively covered including on BLF
As a side note the GM EV car is named the Volt; is the name being used in the last few comments has been ‘Bolt’. Is this a tongue in cheek expression?
Two different cars, the volt is a battery/gas hybrid, first 60 miles (new version) is electric then switches to gas engine
Bolt is pure EV
Two different cars, the volt is a battery/gas hybrid, first 60 miles (new version) is electric then switches to gas engine
Bolt is pure EV
Bort
Thank you!
I am getting so jaded.
The article, and everybody else uses the words “cell” and “battery” as though they are the same thing.
Even though they always use the word battery, meaning cell, I understood they were going to use a size larger than the current 18650 cell. My hope was that a better 18650 would come out of the giga factory.
As the cell size goes up, the surface to volume ratio goes down. As that number goes down, so does the ability to shed heat.
On the other hand, I think, as the size goes up the ability to pack more volume in a given space goes down. I suppose there would be an optimal size and I guess 21700 is closer to it than 18650.
I am a bit long in the tooth and many might already know these figures on the Tesla S:
Li-ion Panasonic 18650A NCA cells
60, 85, 85-performance kWh 85-kWh = 16 modules with 6 groups in series (402 volts, 7104 cells) 60-kWh = 14 modules (352 volts, 6216 cells) Groups contain 74 cells.
I think cost per cell might affect the equation as well. It might take fewer cells to have the same energy even though they take up more space.
I think cost per cell might affect the equation as well. It might take fewer cells to have the same energy even though they take up more space.
+1
If battery energy could be as efficient while reducing both weight and reduced area needed to house them, it would be another big step in the evolution of EV.
I’m quite interested in this topic. Currently running a Honda Jazz 1.2 litre which is now ten years old. It has been a reliable car. I’ve covered 131,000 miles in that time. My MPG is around 50, give or take. I drive very gently. Most of my driving is the short (12-14 miles) commute to go to work or collect my children. The most miles I do in a jaunt is maybe up to 50 miles round trip, rarely more than that when I think about it, though I may do a couple of these length trips in a single day. Next month I retire, so taking away my journey to work, my mileage is going to drop substantially, I reckon to around 8,000-10,000 miles per year.
Anyway, I bought the car new, it cost me around £9,000 ($12,000).
On the basis of my MPG, the fuel over the decade (looking at roughly £1.15-£1.20 per litre or so) is around £14,000 ($19,000) - that figure is variable, bearing in mind fluctuations of fuel costs.
Car tax is £100 a year, so £1,000 ($1,350)
I’ll not include annual servicing costs or usual tyre changes etc, neither will I include any one-off repair costs I’ve had to do because that is just the luck of the draw. Neither will I include whatever my car is worth now.
So, without these costs, my 131,000 miles have cost me £24,000. Call it $32,000.
When I think of these costs, an electric car such as the Nissan Leaf starts to become attractive. I can get a deal through work where a Leaf is (after a £499 / $650 deposit) £199 / $262 per month. They will fit a fast charger at my home. This will be for three years then I can either hand back the car or give them about £10,000 ($13,200) and the car is mine. So the three years would be £7,663 ($10,000) - if I was to keep the car then it would cost me £17,663 ($23,200). This is on the basis of (in those three years) 6,000 miles per year. Extra miles are 10p / 13c per mile. Of course, if I buy the car after three years then I can do as many miles as I like in it. According to the blurb, the Leaf costs around 2p per mile, so if I did 131,000 miles it would cost me £2,620 ($3,500) in fuel. Grand total is just over £20,000 ($26,500), not including the servicing or other ad-hoc costs.
My thoughts are to maybe, potentially keep my little Jazz for those longer journeys and have something like a Leaf as my day to day car.
Certainly, the sums start to make sense. By the way, EV’s don’t pay car tax in the UK.
So over ten years, my costs would be around £3,000 ($4,000) less than even my very frugal Jazz.
Food for thought.
SP
Bear in mind that the battery only lasts so long, and the range graduallly reduces, so after a given mileage you will have to buy a new battery, which is expensive. And your calculation is based on current electricity costs and taxation. Any significant increase in electric vehicle usage would lead to a change in road vehicle taxation, without any doubt, especially since we will not have to follow regulations from Brussels.
Bear in mind that the battery only lasts so long, and the range graduallly reduces, so after a given mileage you will have to buy a new battery, which is expensive. And your calculation is based on current electricity costs and taxation. Any significant increase in electric vehicle usage would lead to a change in road vehicle taxation, without any doubt, especially since we will not have to follow regulations from Brussels.
Tesla has an eight year and unlimited distance on their batteries; I would think in the future that will increase.
Leif:Bear in mind that the battery only lasts so long, and the range graduallly reduces, so after a given mileage you will have to buy a new battery, which is expensive. And your calculation is based on current electricity costs and taxation. Any significant increase in electric vehicle usage would lead to a change in road vehicle taxation, without any doubt, especially since we will not have to follow regulations from Brussels.
Tesla has an eight year and unlimited distance on their batteries; I would think in the future that will increase.
I read about someone who drive over 100k and battery range had decreased by about 3%, so they have thought ahead and designed the car accordingly
You call that a battery? This is a battery:
But its range and passenger capacity is extremely poor for the purposes of transportation
Already under discussion is the secondary market for used batteries, much as we reuse laptop and power pack pull only for aftermarket power wall use where capacity is less of an issue.