13-inches Humongous reflector HID host found (final reading of about 3.8M cd)

I tried playing with the focus for the past few hrs. No go.

From what i see, this is only for the most hardcore HID/big host enthusiast, with spare bulbs/ballasts of different powers to play with. It's really too expensive for the parts/engineering or even compared to similar HIDs though they are smaller, but then i like the bulk.

Coz if you want any more throw you'd have to go the usd 2k plus route for portability. The Vector 192 being the other monster sized HID (but ballasts are mounted outside plus you need Li ion pack to be inside in order to power the 2 x 100W ballasts, so it's pretty ugly)

This is actually the Sunca CS-2206CX model. There is a Sunca CS-2206 model which is proably about 7". They just hooked out a bigger plastic cavity housing and do up a bigger alu reflector. The good thing is that the internal cavity is very big and lots of space to swallow a 100W big sized ballast. :)

The smaller brother.... Sunca CS-2206. The CS-2206CX is the new 13" one.

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13" model.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=91&subID=23

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It is by Sunfat, a HK based company. Think manufacturered in Shenzhen, where else...

I Found that the Sanmak SM5200 is actually the re-sold version of the Sunca CS-220 HID. The Yao 35/80W is the modified version of this host.

http://www.sunfat.com.hk/product4.php?id=87&subID=23

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Are you just shimming the bulb in and out of the reflector? I had the same problem with my Professional's Favorite. Well, mine looked more like a "Plus" symbol than it did like a star, but my problem was that i needed to move it in all 3 axis to focus it (not just in and out).

It is well centered from what i see and yes i did wear gloves to move it around in and out as well as side to side. In fact there is a adapter disc so that it fits H3, and i removed it and it becomes H7 (bigger hole). So i tried H7 bulbs which the arc gap protrudes further into the reflector, no go. So slowly pulled it out and any part of the beam does not get circular. I could do this with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152.

I am pretty well versed in focussing because i had to do that perfectly with the SM5200 and Amondotech 3152 to get max throw from them too, but they just needed a little work for focus to be optimised.

Funny thing is that the adapter does not look wrapped or anything at all.

Ok, i screwed everything down and it seems that once the edge of the reflector is firmly secured down, the hotspot is much tighter. Seems like the reflector is so huge that it warps if not supported at the edge.

I am getting like 2.4 million cd. I need to go for 50m measurements to get accurate stuff, the light sensor/voltage meter is probably getting overloaded.....and i need the beam to spread out. It is so tight that the center peak beam which gives you the PBCP is slightly half the diameter of the hotspot of a Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, you can imagine the intensity. We are talking about 9000 chamber lumens vs 250 emitter lumens, into something smaller than the hotspot of the 250 emitter lumens. Something like that.

Eg, That is 36 times the light. 36 x 55k cd = 1980k cd.

On the right are L2T, Crelant 7G5, Sunwayman T40CS. If you look at the biggest reflector, you can see me half-naked in it. (thanks to Chicago X for pointing that out).

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yes it seems the 13" reflector seems to have some warping compared to the two sanmaks. what is the reflector material of the 13 incher? sanmaks reflector looks great compared to the two bigger lights.

nice collection.:) i promised my self a sanmak5200 early next year.:)

I'm glad you kept at it and got it focused a little better. I'm sure you are happy with it now. I know what it's like to think "man, i bet I can get that just a little bit better" and then spend two hours each night with it.


I'm looking forward to some nice beamshots!

Oooh sexy!

We want beeeeeaaaaaaamshots!

The reflector is definitely aluminum. With such a big reflector and glass surface in front, heat is actually not an issue. The true reflector front aperture is 280mm, or 11.06 inches.

Sanmak SM5200/CS-220HID is 6.5 inches front aperture. It is this slight wrapping of the reflector that gets you rings. The good thing is that it is invisible in reality, because you are not going to be using this below 50 metres. heh....

Shipping to PH is the same as to SG, you can get the 55W SM5200 for usd88 shipped. :) It's actually enough, and definitely more cost effectively than to change it out for a 100W.

Yeah, need to do some videos and comparative beamshots soon. Need to find time.

I now measured 2.54 million cd at a longer distance of 12.4 metres. Previously 2.4 mil was at 8.17 metres. Really need to do 50m soon.

Played with the x-y axis a little coz the bulb / adapter was a little off-centered. Candlepower jumped to 2.8 million now and that's at 8 metres (previously 2.4 mil only). I think it should surpass 3 mil at the 50metres range. So officially, we are comfortably past Gen II Maxabeam. (remember, my meter is the under-reading DX meter, you can probably add 15% to it if you are comparing to quite a few figures at CPF)

The glass cuts 8.0%, unfortuantely.

Pictures below courtesy of Ra's Maxablaster built thread (ie not the light mentioned in this thread):

Need to get it centered!

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Fine focus is paramount for big reflectored short-arcs.

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Nice. Almost 3 MM candlepower

You can see the winter Olympics in the Ra reflector.....along with a bay window, lights, stereo setup and his library. :)

First off, Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1, with 2 x 18350 inside. (max output cell config) This also sort of serves as a control shot, because the Masterpiece Pro-1 cannot really do 450m.....just that perhaps the manufacturers would like you to believe that.

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Second, DBS Dereelight Aspherical lens with EZ900 XR-E R2 1.5 amps pill WD pure white tint. ~ 100k cd

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Third, Fenix TK70, 2200 lumens OTF

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Fourth, Sanmak 5200/Sunca CS-220 with 100W ballast and 100W bulb, this config is more for flood but massive output of 7500 lumens OTF.

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Fifth, Sunca CS-2206CX HID with 100W ballast and 55W bulb. (you can see the slight star shaped hotspot)

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Video. First off is Crelant 7G5, then the Fenix TK70 kicks in. I moved the TK70 to the right, and switched on the 13" CS-2206CX HID. As you can see, the startup time is negligible.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/p9nTdJBFvpU

Awesome urban beamshots.

I really appreciate you taking the time to do the beamshots and video. That was really neat to see.

I hope to get some shots of my newly modded Professional's Favorite HID with 50W ballast and 50W bulb...

2100 what 'pocketable' light would you recommend me for a thrower? I'm really happy with my DRY but for throw it really does suck. That DBS really looks nice but i think it's really worhtless for everything else but throw as it's like a laser. :) I'm considering the ff stl v6 but it doesn't fit in a pocket... the DBS 2 14350 (?) does but i dont have a charger nor the batteries for it and it's probably a pure thrower

How about a Solarforce L2M, with an ahorton aspheric (DEFT EDC lens) and XR-E R2 ?

Around 36Kcd, very pocketable.

Don't think it can be so high. Most probably 26k to a max of 30k for the budget P60 stuff that we use (enourmous output heat sag). Think need the EZ900 die and over 1.2 amps, definitely not easy for the budget P60s. If we use the Dereelight EZ900 1.5A pill then it'd push the price way up with the Ahorton and you might as well get the DBS aspheric. :D

It's not easy or cheap to go for small and throwy, that is why DEFT line can exist (even the DEFT HO couldn't be sustained).

Just extreme output/throw is easier. If you can shell out the dough, 1 to 1.2k can get you close to a magical 100 million cd, shipped. :) (actually i saw $890 shipped to my country but that's a lower power and i can't find that deal again)

How about the CQG? http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1223

48mm head. It looks somewhat bright for the hotspot. It won't touch STL-V6/V2, but even the 2 x 18500 option does not fit a pocket.

But hold your horses, the DRY with Turbo actually gets 25k cd on my meter, and the CQG with 48mm head probably gets around the same ballpark relatively. (my meter under reads)

You might have to get the Sunwayman V60C. But i guess too expensive.

Do you have a C8/Keygos? The Fandyfire STL-V6 can use that tube as well as some others.

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/3155 <<-- you can see some shorties inside.

It's a cheap light, so you can afford to buy a charger as well as batteries. The Trustfire TR-001 is cool and pretty cheap, i have it, works well....just that it charges a bit slow. heh... but generally ok and terminates decently and consistently.

Got 1168 lux at 55 metres. 1168 x 55^2 = 3.5 million candlepower. On DX meter so you can factor in 10-20% additional as it under-reads (well documented). With 10% additional you get 3.8 million candlepower.

This is with the glass lens on, so you can add 8% if you decide to run without the lens. (I measured 8.09% cut with the glass lens)

I'll try to get a 2.18km shot, i IDed a building and it could hit it, but i did not have my cam/telephoto and tripod with me.