Review: The new HaikeLite MT07 - Buffalo XHP70 thrower

Thank you for the great review, Tom. :slight_smile:

Tom do you have outdoor beam shot comparison with other monsters flood thrower?

If this performs better than the L6 I’m so getting this

Thanks for the review Tom, It seems like we have a winner here! According to your measurements it should out-perform a L6 with great margin specially in throw. I really like the level of attention to details, everything seems to be designed with performance in mind.

The standby current is a bit high but if all 4 cells are in place it would take more than a year to discharge them to 50%, I guess that’s acceptable

Would like to see how well it regulates after the step down, and some outdoor beamshots of course :smiley:

Thanks for the fast review, Tom!

Wonder about the current draw at highest level. For this output it should be driven hard. I doubt a resistor mod will increase output much. In comparison with a L6 we have on the plus side the UI with two momentaries and some more output of lumens und lux in stock version, but with a simple resistor mod the L6 will almost catch up the output. On the other hand the L6 is more handy (I guess), and half the price.

Great review Tom E! Very nice pics and description also! I like the Buffalo!

Looking at the anodized threads and the battery tube contact to driver contact this can be mechanically locked out?

The battery tube + contact looks to be a normal PCB do you know if the trace thickness is re-enforced in this area?

Great job Tom! Got’s me wanting (not needing) one!

Maybe change out the two resistor’s to a couple R050’s for a boost! Add a copper disc to the battery tube contact for wear resistance. Change the emitter to a higher Bin P2 and a close shave! :wink:

Thanks for the elaborate review and the pictures! :+1:

Do we have a winner?

That would depend - as always - on the final price.
Yes, it does throw - somewhat. I would not call 132Kcd a true thrower in a light this big - but it will outthrow the Convoy L6.
Again, the price will be part of the equation.

It looks like a good and well made light, ano, ar lens, design, threads, o-rings, driver plate, dubble springs, all looks very good. :+1:
But those switch rubbers look cheap - to me at least. :person_facepalming:
I would have liked to see metal switch plates, which would make the light look a lot better.

I like the comparison with the BTU Shocker, being a 3 year old design.
Bear in mind, after modding mine does 360+ Kcd and well over 3500 Lumen.
If I can find the right driver, I will probably update it to 3 * XHP 35HI………we’ll see about the comparison then! :wink:

Now THAT I call a thrower with high lumen output.

thanks a gain for this great review!

Grtz
Nico

Of course it will outperform the L6 … 3000 vs. 5000 Lumens and much bigger reflector.
A true competitor would be the Acebeam K60 right? I´d love to see comparison shots with the K60…

K.

Very similar numbers to the K60. 4950lm 160kcd.

Ohh, thanks! Now that you mention it, it sounds familiar - you probably posted about it before. I'll update that note I have on it.

I can do a mech lockout on the threaded connection at the driver, not the tail end. Slight twist of the battery tube breaks the connection - the silver coated copper retaining plate connection gets broken.

If you mean at the tail, the PCB f the tail has huge traces, wider than the springs, between the batt+ and batt- connections. On the driver side you got that hunk of silver coated copper - crazy, never saw anything like it, but probably in some other high end lights.

Thanx! My thoughts as well. Would like to see what it can do in kcd with those tweaks.

I didn't mention it - still wanna confirm it, but I used a set a couple more sets of cells and got different results, some close, one set of readings was a bit more off - actually higher (SANYO GA's rested @4.14V), weird though after fully charging them, I got lower readings. On a set of VTC6's w/solder blobs on the batt+ end of the cells, I measured 3.1A on one 2S pair with the other pair jumpered in (should be 6.2A then?). Then on just one 2S pair driving the light, I measured 7.0A. I got slightly higher lumens on the VTC6's, even with the cells at only 4.12V.

For the lumens numbers, bottom line is I am getting, some lower than 5K, some higher, but mostly lower, so the 30Q BT measurements I consider fair, but straight flat tops could do little better, and all within a 5% margin of error.

I'm on 3 hours sleep, and at my age, it's tough...

Totally agree here, though I'm not a fan of AceBeam anything (I only have a modded K40 under the SupBeam name), but I said that a while back in the MT07 thread about comparison with the K60.

The MT07 is a bigger light - should be heavier. Dunno if the MT03 has one, but the driver retainer plate in the MT07 weighs a ton - I should have taken a pic of it on the scale, now that I know it's solid copper .

All true, agree. I've gotten over 500 kcd on modded Shockers, also 1 or two over 5,000 lumens. The Shocker was a modder's platform in my think'n, but this MT07 does well stock, but can be tweaked, of course. Yea, hear you bout the switches - do look a little out of place on this light, but the LED's under the top switch are look' nice, and they feel really nice. Would be nice if a couple spares were thrown in - I can see these ripping eventually - they are very grippy, but sticking out like that, very easy to find.

The Shocker II will be a totally different class than the old one, and will certainly be in the 3X level in lumens compared to this light. Think'n more like Dale's Super Shocker mod going into production...

Ohhh - I think we do have a winner with this one, both for stock performance/price, and modding. Hope the battery fit issue isn't a biggie though. I'm sure we will hear more about it.

How long might it be until we see your resistor mod? Please wait to respond if you already have your soldering iron in hand.

My personal worries is that the light is not going to maintain it’s output. Instead, output significantly reduces with time resulting in such high runtime values…

Well of course it has a stepdown, in fact the info is right there in the OP:

K.

I don't really have a good setup for long runtime tests using the PVC light box. But it's mentioned in the specs that turbo knocks down at 5 minutes to 2800 lumens. So they are quoting 8 hrs on turbo, but that's not at turbo output levels - same thing the other manufacturers do. Til we get true output curves, hard to say what is really goin on. I could attempt doing it but hard to find that much time - would have to babysit it since I would not trust the setup.

If turbo was pulling about 6A from the cells, 3A per pair, then 2 hours at a minimum is legit. If they measured 8 hours, then power is being backed down during the run. I measured 6A-7A at the tail using a clamp meter.

Edit: Ooopsie, I got this wrong. 3A per pair is 1 hour roughly on 30Q's, 3.5 hours on SANYO GA's. Forgot it's 3A draw per cell when measuring 3 amps for 2 cells in series.

2300 lumens for 10 hours?

Very nice review Tom, thanks.

Hope to see some good beamshots soon

Nope, must be multiple drops, or at least another big one, goin on to achieve those run times, or amp regulation as voltage drops, slowly dropping output.

I know, that was my post #16. My comment was based on Kusie’s reply #17.

I like it. Shave that XHP70 and you could get up to 200kcd, don’t you think?

It’s funny to me how long and complicated they made their serial numbers though.

Yea I agree - didn't really give much thought on runtimes, but I'll see what I can test in the next few days.

PD - Dunno what the typical bump up is on shaving - VOB I think had good #'s on it. was it 50% up in kcd? Think it was around there...