[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

A parabolic reflector has a given shape and proportions.
The one he uses to design a light around is way off.
The LED is not in the focal point, he’s using an incan light reflector model.
Iḿ sorry, but just look at the picture.
Do you think i should not have pointed this out?
And as i said, it does explain the different basic shapes between his and my designs.

Lets put a 23mm-35mm floating lens in front of the led. So it will focus the die to infinity. If we can find a lens that has the required focal distance and diameter we can even attach it to the front glass. Or below it.

It will be a form of large TIR optic that forwards most of the light straight forward.

We can calculate which part of the led light is wasted in spill and project that forward. And how big of a diameter lens we can put on a given focal length.

This is very interesting.

Balancing definitely helps, but keeping it compact helps even more.
Just imagine controlling a 30cm (1 foot) long pole weiging 1kg (2 pounds) versus a 2 meter long pole of the same weight. The longer pole requires a lot more force and energy to control when swinging around.

Let’s just agree to disagree; no hard feelings from my side, but this project (the way it’s turning out) just isn’t for me.

You read my mind !
Been thinking about a set up like that for some time.

All of it basically :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Meh, it’s only 30cm long.
It’s a one footer. :smiley:

Sooo, basically you want a 1Mcd+ thrower, to illuminate objects at very large distances, and you also want to be able to flick it around in an instant? Really? Why?

Grtz
Nico

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Really guys, I mean really?

We have decided to gor for a 120 mm reflector hundreds of posts ago, and now we opt for a pre-collimating lens and a aespheric lens or a hughe TIR optic?
Don’t you think this will make the flashlight “a litte bit” more expensive and, with a TIR lens that big, quite a bit more heavy or (if plastic) more prone to lens-scratches?

It does sound very interesting, but please keep the basics of this project in scope: low cost, easy to manufacture etc………in other words doable.,

But hey, maybe next BLF thrower project can be a massive pre-collimating + aespheric torch? 2Mcd perhaps?

Grtz
Nico

So the good thing this implies is that we would likely meet with our ideas in the end.
So there. :slight_smile:

No, you’ve made a good point.
But he already knew it, and so he put a disclaimer in his post saying exactly what you mean.
Though, if he would tweak his design to suit the reflector it would only be some minor tweaks. So not a big deal imo at this point (which is all about outside design)

Alright, I’ve redraw my design so I could run a thermal simulation. Here is the result:

As I said, I’m not sure how accurate it is since this is the first time I did this. However i think this give us a good representation about how it will perform.
This is with a 40watt load distributed along the led shelf. Imaging that the MCPCB will evenly distribute the entire 40 watt load on the shelf.
Thermal convection coefficient is 20W/ (m^2.k), I really dont know what that means but its a good number for natural air convection. (like walking around outside I guess)
Ambient temperature is 300 kelvin around 30 degrees celcius.
I’ve run another simulation with a convection coefficient of 50W/ (m^2.k) and that gives a 20 degrees celcius difference (cooler).

Yes, really.
But not for this project. :wink:
Could be a great mod though.

It was just an example to help with realizing that size matters.
Small adjustments of something well balanced won’t be too hard, but keeping the length down helps quite a bit over time.

I’m glad we agree.

Forget the buts.

And this simulation confirms what i was saying a few sites before.

Building PC heatsinks and watercooler for more than 10 years (as an hobby) is helping a lot when you try to figure out if a thermal design will work. :stuck_out_tongue:

We are still going with the 120mm reflector. No precolimations.

In this 120mm light we can add a small lens, to focus the spill forward, and gain a significant percent of the light towards the corona.

Just throwing some relevant performance ideas out there. Instead of discussing 20 pages for 3 fins or a notch. :slight_smile:

If you want performance i would say recoil reflector set up.
Problem though, is finding a decent and affordable 5 inch reflector that can take at least 120° from the LED.

No lenses, but if you show us how to make it float I am sure we are all very impressed and Penn and Teller might want to know it too :wink:

Just kidding, lenses are for another project not the GT.

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Penn and Teller. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid)
especially when we are making a BUDGET flashlight, i don’t want a cheap Chinese len, the quality is very poor

When popcorn alone just won’t cut it… add a soft drink of your choice. :+1:

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