Help ! -Need AA light with long runtime on low/moonlight mode

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lisa3070 wrote:
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Just buy a FourSevens Atom A0 and enjoy the TRUE moonlight run time.
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AAA cell Voltage Range 1.0V to 1.5V

Low: 0.24 lumens for 120 hours
High: 25 lumens for 1.5 hour

Im not sure .24 lumens, is bright enough to light up our storm shelter enough. I think I would need 1- 3 lumens…or bare minimum of .5 lumens with light diffuser attached.

Maybe it’s like the Astolux A01…
It starts at moon mode, which is so low, it’s almost useless.
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Why not make the hop to a compact 18650 tube light? Sounds like you already do a lot of NiMH recharges.

Something like a convoy S series, with the new firmware would be less than $20, and an 18650 is not much more than an eneloop cell.

Tons more power & much more runtime.

Or if you wanted something very specific you could probably buy a single mode driver programmed for X% output.

IMHO, it wont be long before we start to see LED manufacturers offer very long runtime flashlights on single AA/AAA , in moonlight mode for low prices. The technology gets better every few months and I think some companies will start to see profit potential in this untapped area of lighting. For my needs , a small 2 mode LED light that provided 2 lumens @ 3 days or more and 100 lumens for 30 minutes on a single AA/AAA eneloop battery , for around $10 would be great. No need for strobe or numerous other modes.


Well if you ever do try 18650, a convoy C8 with XPL-hi and a new biscotti driver yields 3.4lm at 5.4mA tailcap current so you would have about 3lm for close to a month non-stop.

An xml2 equipped s2+ with the same driver I would guess to have somewhat similar numbers.

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And, as of the time of this posting, 107 Convoy S2+ are available for the BARGAIN basement price of $10.59 at Gearbest.
If I didn’t just buy several EagleEye X6R’s I would be buying these.

You will need to invest in some 18650 batteries and a charger that can handle them, but they should provide a much wider use case in your shelter plans.

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Im not sure … enough. I think I would need

Try it. Remember it takes about 20 minutes for your eyes to become dark adapted.
If one isn’t enough, buy two. But I think you’ll be surprised.

You can aways add a few 5mm LEDs on motion sensors to fill in corners:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/16442

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The Atoms are wicked, my AAF is nearly the same output as my SWM D40A (0.7 vs 0.8 lms), and will do 200+ hrs (9ma Eneloop tailcap current draw) – I cannot believe they only spec 45 hrs. The ~150ish lumen-hours/AA is the best efficiency I’ve ever seen for sub-lumen output, but this driver does lack voltage regulation (i.e., output changes depending upon V, and the light is rated to 4.2V). I bought a bunch for ~$18 when the reflectored version (“F”) went on clearance earlier in the year, but I think the current AA mules are way out of the OPs price range.

The A0 mules tend to be a bit dim for me too. Although I agree you can wait for deep dark adaptation, I find I’m always blowing my deep night vision with something (eg, smartphone surfing at lowest output), so I tend to prefer the “brighter” moonlights, and with a little more hotspot focus/lux.

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Well if you ever do try 18650, a convoy C8 with XPL-hi and a new biscotti driver yields 3.4lm at 5.4mA tailcap current so you would have about 3lm for close to a month non-stop..

Do you have a link to an independent output/tailcap current test of this light? I’m curious since that’s more than twice as efficient as I’ve ever seen for ~3 lms (eg, typically >11ma for a li-ion in my AA/14500 ZLs, Olights, Quarks)

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Thanks for your reply.

Sure… I share a similar interest in low lumens, long runtimes, the 1xAA(14500) format, and have a bit of pet peeve with grossly exaggerated manufacturer specs, and sadly, your sample at nearly half claim isn’t too bad! (Although most exaggerations short change on lumens since that’s much harder to verify.)

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Did anyone ever actually test the 3L mode for run time with an Alkaline battery? Xtar does not really say which chemistry they used for run time and which they used for Lumen output…. so the user is kind of left to assume they use whichever yields the best result for each.

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Well 28 hours isnt even near half of the claimed 80 hours . I had bought several of these, and am trading 1 for another flashlight that supposedly is great at low lumens, long runtime. The MANKER A01

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Did anyone ever actually test the 3L mode for run time with an Alkaline battery? Xtar does not really say which chemistry they used for run time and which they used for Lumen output…. so the user is kind of left to assume they use whichever yields the best result for each.

Im trading the XTAR, with another forum member . Maybe they will test with a alkaline. I switched over to all eneloops and dont have any other chemistries in AA/AAA format.

Im gonna guess, on a new alkaline, the XTAR may get 60 hours at 3 lumens. That would be more then 2x my runtime on a 2000 mah eneloop.

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lisa3070, I just got back from putting your Manker A01 in the mail. Expected delivery is Saturday, I’ll PM you the tracking number. I will certainly test the XTAR with an Alkaline, a Lithium, and I will rerun your test with one of my new Eneloops. (Just for consistency, not ‘cause I don’t believe you.) I feel like I’m getting the better deal, because the XTAR appears to be 14500 capable as well, so I can use my spare purple eFest from my X5. So I’ll test it with that as well.

I played around with the Manker A01 a little before packing it up – I even found a box with the spare o-ring and split ring. Moonlight is pretty low. However, if you let your eyes dark adjust, you can easily maneuver around a small room with it doing a ceiling bounce.

Hmm, now then, how do I go about testing run times…

Arduino with a light sensitive resister maybe????

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Lazy-R-us wrote:
lisa3070, I just got back from putting your Manker A01 in the mail. Expected delivery is Saturday, I’ll PM you the tracking number. I will certainly test the XTAR with an Alkaline, a Lithium, and I will rerun your test with one of my new Eneloops. (Just for consistency, not ‘cause I don’t believe you.) I feel like I’m getting the better deal, because the XTAR appears to be 14500 capable as well, so I can use my spare purple eFest from my X5. So I’ll test it with that as well.

I played around with the Manker A01 a little before packing it up – I even found a box with the spare o-ring and split ring. Moonlight is pretty low. However, if you let your eyes dark adjust, you can easily maneuver around a small room with it doing a ceiling bounce.

Hmm, now then, how do I go about testing run times…

Arduino with a light sensitive resister maybe????

Thanks…..I will get yours in the mail on thursday. Im interested to see what runtime you get on your 2000 Mah ENELOOP AT 3 LUMENS.

I will ship in a bubble mailer, and also put bubble wrap over the head of the flashlight for xtra protection.

I did buy several of these , and may be interested in doing another trade with another member , if you have a single AA/AAA light that has long runtimes on moonlight mode . These XTARS, are very nice lights..with 4 modes of brightness and a clicky tailcap. Unfortunately I only bought them because I wanted a moonlight mode that would run for 3 or more days on a eneloop battery…and this XTAR doesnt seem to accomplish that.

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a moonlight mode that would run for 3 or more days [continuously ~= 80 hours] on a eneloop
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bright enough to light up our storm shelter

I think you’re getting somewhat confused attention because people miss responding to one or more of your list of requirements.

How big is the storm shelter? Are the walls and ceiling painted white?

And, again, are you willing to wait the 20 minutes or so — maybe twice that — for dark adaptation?

Remember any brief use of a brighter light (including a screen) will make the room appear much, much darker until dark adaptation is reestablished, under your moonlight source.

Are you willing to use a 2- or 3- or 4-cell light?
If you get one of the fairly common emergency lanterns and use rechargeable C or D cells, it might take care of the problem, although not in the precise way you want.

Here for example: https://www.dorcy.com/950-lumen-area-lantern
(40 percent off with code CYBER right now, and they frequently offer big discount codes — and have very good support online)

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3 COB LED … 950 lumens of power on high, 550 on medium, and 350 on low. Other features include 100 plus hours of run time and a special nightlight setting.
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hank wrote:
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a moonlight mode that would run for 3 or more days [continuously ~= 80 hours] on a eneloop
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bright enough to light up our storm shelter

I think you’re getting somewhat confused attention because people miss responding to one or more of your list of requirements.

How big is the storm shelter? Are the walls and ceiling painted white?

And, again, are you willing to wait the 20 minutes or so — maybe twice that — for dark adaptation?

Remember any brief use of a brighter light (including a screen) will make the room appear much, much darker until dark adaptation is reestablished, under your moonlight source.

The storm shelter is made out of 8 ft wide x 15ft long galvanized drainage pipe . The inside is silver / galvanized, so it has good light reflection. I dont need the whole shelter bright , but enough to see to adjust a radio, walk , etc. The 3 lumens put out by this XTAR was plenty bright enough . I think 1- 1.5 lumens would work great also. Some moonlight modes are 0.24 lumens and that may be a bit low.

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Hi lisa3070
I lately run eneloop AA ~1800 mAh in ~25$ flashlight ~109 h in low mode (cant say lumens, but low mode= ~2m can read books back on bookshelf and ~5m see what on picture (A4 drawing) on wall)
If interested, then here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50452

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> galvanized

It looks silvery but really doesn’t reflect much light, you can look this up.
https://www.google.com/search?q=albedo+galvanized

Can you paint the inside bright or flat white?
Even paint a couple of square feet and compare.

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matik42 wrote:
Hi lisa3070 I lately run eneloop AA ~1800 mAh in ~25$ flashlight ~109 h in low mode (cant say lumens, but low mode= ~2m can read books back on bookshelf and ~5m see what on picture (A4 drawing) on wall) If interested, then here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50452

Impressive runtimes ! But I did want to try and stay in the $10 price range since I would purchase several of them .

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hank wrote:
> galvanized

It looks silvery but really doesn’t reflect much light, you can look this up.
https://www.google.com/search?q=albedo+galvanized

Can you paint the inside bright or flat white?
Even paint a couple of square feet and compare.

Agreed…a flat white paint would be more reflective and I could buy a inexpensive off brand 1 gallon of paint .

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lisa3070 wrote:
matik42 wrote:
Hi lisa3070 I lately run eneloop AA ~1800 mAh in ~25$ flashlight ~109 h in low mode (cant say lumens, but low mode= ~2m can read books back on bookshelf and ~5m see what on picture (A4 drawing) on wall) If interested, then here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50452

Impressive runtimes ! But I did want to try and stay in the $10 price range since I would purchase several of them .

It more showing that eneloops can run quite long and it was real world test.

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Lazy-R-us wrote:
And, as of the time of this posting, 107 Convoy S2+ are available for the BARGAIN basement price of $10.59 at Gearbest.

Bugger… That’s less than what I paid each for a bunch of S2+ hosts. Silly

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Lightbringer wrote:
Lazy-R-us wrote:
And, as of the time of this posting, 107 Convoy S2+ are available for the BARGAIN basement price of $10.59 at Gearbest.

Bugger… That’s less than what I paid each for a bunch of S2+ hosts. Silly


Gearbest has been caught selling fake Convoy lights in the past with bad quality. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Be careful.

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DavidEF wrote:
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Lazy-R-us wrote:
And, as of the time of this posting, 107 Convoy S2+ are available for the BARGAIN basement price of $10.59 at Gearbest.
Bugger… That’s less than what I paid each for a bunch of S2+ hosts. Silly
Gearbest has been caught selling fake Convoy lights in the past with bad quality. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Be careful.

Wellp, I got enough S2+/S5 hosts (FT) to last me quite a while, plus the off-the-rack one I semi-EDC, so I’m good.

Still…

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I have several brands of AA lights with good lows/moonlights. They’re all pretty-much the same efficiency.

For 1xAA lights:

Zebralight SC52’s: moonlight around 0.1 lumens (the spec is 0.28 lumens or something like that, but in reality it’s closer to 0.1 lumens). Run time around 14 days.

Zebralight SC52’s: low mode around 3 lumens, run time is a little under 3 days.

Zebralight SC5: moonlight around 0.1 lumens, run time around 14 days.

Zebralight SC5: low around 2 lumens, run time a little over 5 days.

I’ve got several other brands, but haven’t done run time tests on them. But based on tailcap current measurements, they’re all pretty-much the same. You’ll get about 2 weeks run time on a useable moonlight mode for dark-adapted eyes, and about 3 days on 3-lumen low mode. Constantly on, of course.

For 2xAA lights, like the 4sevens Quarks or Armytek Primes, the numbers are similar, but you get twice the run-time or twice the brightness, because of twice the battery.

For 4xAA lights, the only one I have with a moonlight mode is the Sunwayman D40A. It has a much brighter “moonlight”, of around 1 lumen. It seems brighter, due to the greater throw of that light, so it’s quite usuable. It lasts a little over 2 weeks, so it’s more efficient than the 1xAA and 2xAA lights. Probably due to not needing a boost circuit in the driver.

Anyway, my conclusion is that the model of light doesn’t matter, as long as it’s a decent quality brand,. They all have similar levels of efficiency. Pick a model that has the mode outputs you want, and go from there.

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reppans wrote:
Best low lumen: mode spacing, regulation, efficiency, consistency, and spec accuracy I’ve had are from 47 Quarks. Their clearance 1xAAs are currently not listed on eBay so may be sold out, but I’ve seen them disappear, and re-appear a few days later – some folks mentioned they were accepting $19 bids (+ shipping). As mentioned above, the XMLs can be a green tint lottery, but the XPG2s all seem creamy white (although throwy beams), and I’m measuring ~0.45 lms at 8ma (250hrs) and 3.3 lms at 32ma (63hrs) from a 1.28v 2000mah Eneloops on my current EDC. I use this “bright” moonlight/low low combo about 45/45% of the time. Quarks are boost/buck driven (1-4.2v) and are also easy to rig on ANY battery in pinch… (hehe.. almost 3 months on D cell).

Yes, I like the old Quark design, but I’m not a fan of their new design currently being sold. I still use my 2xAA Quark Pro (XML2) and Quark Tac (XPG2) for a nice low-light in a dark room (tail-standing), which I leave on all evening in case I want to go in there and don’t want to turn on a bright light. Mine are both slightly greenish, though, and I’m not a cool-white fan anyway. But it’s fine for soft lighting.

I don’t much like the user-interface of the Quarks (mainly because of the flashies that you can’t hide), but since they come on in moonlight by default (or you can program the tac model that way), it’s good for that kind of lighting.

I tend to prefer 1xAA or 1xAAA lights for indoors, because run-time isn’t an issue when I have access to over 200 Eneloops.

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Jerommel][quote=lisa3070 wrote:
timbo114 wrote:
Just buy a FourSevens Atom A0 and enjoy the TRUE moonlight run time.
FourSevens home
AAA cell Voltage Range 1.0V to 1.5V

Low: 0.24 lumens for 120 hours
High: 25 lumens for 1.5 hour

Im not sure .24 lumens, is bright enough to light up our storm shelter enough. I think I would need 1- 3 lumens…or bare minimum of .5 lumens with light diffuser attached.

I have one of those Atom A0’s, and while I like the concept of it, it’s quality isn’t very good. Flickering on high is pretty common, mode selection can be a little tricky, the tint is awful (way too cool and low cri), and the 25 lumen high is very under-whelming.

For less than half the cost, get a Astrolux A01 with the high-CRI Nichia 219 LED. 3 good mode levels, decent quality, and fantastic tint.

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Maybe it’s like the Astolux A01… It starts at moon mode, which is so low, it’s almost useless.

I use it as a night-light for getting up in the middle of the night. The moonlight mode is a perfect level of light for that.

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Seeing the comments about the Jetbeam JET-1 MK got me wondering, so I charged up an Energizer “recharge NIMH “ 2300 mAh AA battery and put in my JET-1 MK at 2 PM Tuesday. Turned it on low mode and its still going strong 52 hours later. I’m leaving it on to see how long it lasts.

I also have Astrolux A01’s, but moonlight is too dim to be useful to my 57 year old eyes. I take two with me when I travel, and leave one lit in moonlight mode in the hotel room so I can find it if I need to get up at night. I usually have to turn it up to see well enough to move around.

EDIT: It’s now Sunday, and the light has been continuously on since 2 PM Tuesday. That’s at least 115 hours, and it’s still going strong. I’m not going to be around the rest of the day to see when it finally runs down, but I’m thinking it will go at least 120 hours on the lowest setting with a 2300 mAh NIMH battery. I may order a couple more of these!!

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Any decent 1xAA light with a moonlight mode should last a long time. I haven’t tested all mine, but the Zebralights (SC5 and SC52s) all came in between 12-15 days on a standard Eneloop, when using their 0.3 lumen moonlight mode (which is actually closer to 0.1 lumens in reality). 2xAA lights will double that time, or allow for a brighter moonlight mode.

It’s quite a usable amount of light, when you have no external light to ruin your night vision. At least, inside a house it’s useful, where the light bounces around and you’re generally familiar with stuff around you. It’s really too dim to see anything outside. I find at least 5-10 lumens is necessary for outside. The Zebralights give 1-2 days of runtime around that level, depending on the model.

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WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
Any decent 1xAA light with a moonlight mode should last a long time. I haven’t tested all mine, but the Zebralights (SC5 and SC52s) all came in between 12-15 days on a standard Eneloop, when using their 0.3 lumen moonlight mode (which is actually closer to 0.1 lumens in reality). 2xAA lights will double that time, or allow for a brighter moonlight mode.

It’s quite a usable amount of light, when you have no external light to ruin your night vision. At least, inside a house it’s useful, where the light bounces around and you’re generally familiar with stuff around you. It’s really too dim to see anything outside. I find at least 5-10 lumens is necessary for outside. The Zebralights give 1-2 days of runtime around that level, depending on the model.

For my shelter, I find that 0.1 – 0.5 lumens is not strong enough to get that slight “ bounce” off the walls I am seeking.

The XTAR rates its moonlight mode at 3 lumens, which was plenty bright enough , but I think 1- 2 lumens would be sufficient.

I received the Manker A01 from a forum member the other day in a trade, but its moonlight mode is to low to be used in my shelter. I will just use it as a keychain light

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jch10400 wrote:
Seeing the comments about the Jetbeam JET-1 MK got me wondering, so I charged up an Energizer “recharge NIMH “ 2300 mAh AA battery and put in my JET-1 MK at 2 PM Tuesday. Turned it on low mode and its still going strong 52 hours later. I’m leaving it on to see how long it lasts.

I also have Astrolux A01’s, but moonlight is too dim to be useful to my 57 year old eyes. I take two with me when I travel, and leave one lit in moonlight mode in the hotel room so I can find it if I need to get up at night. I usually have to turn it up to see well enough to move around.

EDIT: It’s now Sunday, and the light has been continuously on since 2 PM Tuesday. That’s at least 115 hours, and it’s still going strong. I’m not going to be around the rest of the day to see when it finally runs down, but I’m thinking it will go at least 120 hours on the lowest setting with a 2300 mAh NIMH battery. I may order a couple more of these!!

For now, it looks like the Jetbeam at 1.5 moonlight lumens for 100 + hours on a eneloop, is the best low priced option out there. Of course in the next few months, something else may come along thats just as good or better for a lower price.

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lisa3070 wrote:
The XTAR rates its moonlight mode at 3 lumens, which was plenty bright enough , but I think 1- 2 lumens would be sufficient.

It sounds like the xtar isn’t very efficient at that level, getting only about a day from an Eneloop. Other brands, while perhaps a bit more expensive (such as the Zebralight SC52 or SC5), I measure at about 3 days run-time for 3 lumens output, on a regular Eneloop.

And, yes, 3 lumens certainly gives more usuable light than moonlight modes. Tail-standing, it can light up a room quite nicely if everywhere else is dark. It’s my preferred level for reading, too, if not held too far from the page.

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Anyone have a used JETBEAM JET 1MK they want to trade for a new XTAR WK50 ?

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Here is another option just my opinion. I live in Katrina country. Ground zero 40ft of water. Power out for weeks. You could keep the xstar lights. You said you use nihm batteries. I have about 40 I use. But I keep 200-300 alkaline aa around in case o can’t recharge when a hurricane hits and no power for two weeks. And can power my lanterns with adapters. You can get 100 alkalines for $25 use your eneloops and if it comes to it use the alkalines. They sit in storage for ten years. I mean are you really going to sit in your storm shelter for weeks months on end? If one eneloop gives a day of light per light. A alkaline should last longer. As much as you keep spending on lights. It would be cheaper to buy a hundred or couple hundred aa batteries and be done with it for the next ten years. I’ve gotten 150aa of amazon before and eBay for around $30 Chrome batteries, Duracell procells on sale. Ac delco, Amazon batteries etc. A case of 100 with the nihm would last more then enough in a shelter you’ll be out of food and water before light

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