But how will we know if we are approaching the end of the world without a flashlight??! Do you realize what could happen if you donât see it coming!?
Itâs apparently your taste, but the #2 has a heavy bulky head so you canât easily hold it near the centre of gravity.
Thatâs just not nice for a heavy hand held light.
You bite your tongue! You bite it right now!
âŚflashlight is love, flashlight is life.
and 
Please, spare us the armchair wisdom this time.
But let me make it plain then.
It seems (and correct me if iâm wrong) 5ar doesnât yet pick up on the points made about his design.
And iâm not talking about aesthetics, but about weight distribution, handling and protruding sharp bits.
It is too late for that âThe Millerâ, you have already done that with the negative comments you openly made about â5arâ.
I simply then âopenlyâ asked you about them, yet you seemingly refuse to âopenlyâ address what you said.
Iâm not picking on you or even mad or upset.
I only wish for you to âopenlyâ explain your comments or âopenlyâ apologize to â5arâ if you cannot.
If I read what he wrote correctly, â5arâ would like an explanation also.
The ball is in your courtâŚâŚâŚ
I think miller is (understandably) frustrated with all the bickering that has been going on, I think it just caught up to him.
Admittedly I have been childish and I should have just let things slide, I apologize for my part in it.
I also need to apologize to Jerommel for being overly argumentive.
How about we put things behind us and everyone work _TOGETHER _to make the GT happen.
Both design 1 and 2 are good and popular options.
Both of them need things tweaked and changed, neither is perfect.
The results are too close between the two to make a concrete decision.
Instead of arguing why one is better than the other, we should be making suggestions and improvements to both of them one feature at a time.
Eg. first decide what the logo will look like, then decide on knurling or no knurling and where, then decide on tailcap flanges or not, etc.
I think by doing this and having these decisions implemented to both designs we will end up with something in the middle that most people will be happy with.
Currently the lights are far too different and unique and appeal to people with different tastes.
Maybe working out other parts of the light first like a reflector will help make more progress currently rather than arguing about aesthetics.
Thickness of metals, positions of fins, and stuff like that is not set in stone so anything about âbalanceâ or âtemperatureâ is pretty irrelevant at this point in the decision making progress.
Both lights have almost identical proportions and balance and temperature can be worked out later easily.
:+1: :+1: :+1:
Iâll go with âCrystal Clearâ then this time JerommelâŚ. as in âLet me make itâ 
I hate to admit it, but I honestly like the design you came up with.(Just not for this lightâŚ.)
But as far as your opinions, âpersonal preferenceâ, and how you come across as feeling everyoneâs design has to agree with âyour visionâ âŚâŚ. I could care less about any of it.
I know youâll be heart brokenâŚâŚ , but I actually do care less than zero.
Case in point, what you said above about â5ar doesnât yet pick up on the points made about his designâ. Why in the world would he do a wholesale change of âhis designâ to accommodate what you think might be problem areas.
I donât think they are. This is going to be a BIG light, and I think with 8 x 18650âs it will be balance just fine. Weight distribution as well as handling will be smooth alsoâŚâŚ for a BIG light.
And as far as âprotruding sharp bitsââŚâŚâŚ :person_facepalming: ⌠Give me a break. :person_facepalming:
This is what I think, you can disagree all you want. But for you to proclaim your way is the only correct way is laughable. As is saying â5arâ doesnât understand his own design.
So hopefully you will take your own advice and âspare usâ also.
Okay Teach, letâs not make this personal.
More from the armchairâŚ.
I have explained myself enough.
If itâs not satisfactory to you then so be it.
You are of course welcome to your opinion, but it seems to me that people are going too far with the insistence that all these designs need to be re-worked somehow. The designs have been submitted. The poll is open. Too many people are trying to pressure designers into making changes. IMHO, this is not the time for being back seat drivers. These guys arenât getting paid by the hour here. They donât work for us. This is a hobby. The idea that they must work in every suggested modification we might dream up is absurd.
I explained before how I voted for a design that, while nice, wasnât my heartâs first pick. I voted for the one I thought would make the best light from the designs we were given, assuming the designs donât change between now and production. I think that is the most honest way to vote. Voting with strings attached is only going to make the poll results meaningless.
That is true, people are doing this for free, but I highly doubt anything can stay the way it is before it goes into manufacturing.
It simply never works out like that.
It would be great if it did, but it never does, so change is something that people need to accept.
Thatâs what engineering is like.
No, the voting was an excellent âfeelerâ.
But i.m.o. a bit premature, and i understand 5ar thought it was a bit premature too.
(there is also PM communication going on you see.)
Weâll get there. :+1:
Exactly. Nobody should look at this poll and say âoh #2 got 5 extra votes (or wahtever) therefore this is what the flashlight will look likeâ
I agree completely Jeromm & feel the same way. :+1:
Ah but youâre not aware of everything you see.
You just assume these things are an attack from just me on just 5ar and / or his design.
But i was explaining something and i would like to be corrected if iâm wrong.
But youâre not in the position to do that.
Teacher, letâs end this tiff.
We all want the same thing:
An awesome thrower, a Giga Thrower that will be right for everyone.
I agree.
I ended it back in post #143âŚâŚ
Hey âThe Millerâ this one is for you
Cheers David