(about post #183) Hey T18, would you mind slowing down a bit? I can’t really find where your anger comes from but your rants with rather explicit language makes me not want to visit this thread anymore, even though I bought the E2L so I’m curious about what people think of it. I hope that the OP is not scared away by overheated reactions like yours, rather than by discussions over glue
Yes, Please accept my apologies, it’s response to something someone aimed at me, but that’s not an excuse to use the language that you referred to and I will remove that, whether justified or not, I know better, I’m sorry..!
Yes, Please accept my apologies, it’s response to something someone aimed at me, but that’s not an excuse to use the language that you referred to and I will remove that, whether justified or not, I know better, I’m sorry..!
Hmmmm, apologies?? Well sure thing T18, they are accepted; it’s all good.
But honestly, I am still trying to figure out what you are apologizing for.
I noticed you did delete your rather mild mannered semi-rant post, but I personally found no greatly offensive language in it as was suggested. And certainly nothing so terrible as to keep anyone from visiting this thread.But hey, if that is the case may the door not hit them in the keister on the way out.
I’ll reluctiantly delete my “quote” of your now deleted post… since I will assume that would be your wish.
And if I were you I would not loose any sleep about your post “scaring off” the OP… I doubt he “scares” that easily.
If anything runs him off it will be the reaction to “glue” and requests for 50 or so individual variations of the same light……..
That would be enough to make any manufacturer run screaming for cover….
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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
As far as I am concerned sometimes the “pot” needs a good stirring.
Otherwise all the “ingredients” separate and clump together, that makes for a one sided taste for the “soup”. Always give it a good stir before you serve it up!!!!
Also being the nice, easy going fellow that I am; I will just assume the Stirring the pot“stirring+the+pot” reference above, below my last post; was not directed at me. Or at least not at me solely………
Because the pot in this thread has been stirred a bunch by several people already, throughout the thread; whether overtly or covertly.
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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
Well thank you Teacher I greatly appreciate your honoring my wishes and editing that out…….
Edit: Oh Teacher, you are something else.. ha ha ha..
No problem T18, and you are welcome.
I figured since you deleted your post, and since I strive to be a Southern Gentleman; it was the least I could do to deleted my “quote” of your post. (Even though I personally did not see much wrong with it.)
Yep T18, I would have to agree whole heartily with your “Edit” above. … Only problem is we are all still trying to figure out what that “something else” is. ……
Take care………
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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
T18, who is Paul? Is it Jaxman himself or a reseller?
If I understood Jaxman correctly, he seems to have the same exact issues as Paul, people who request his flashlight without the “glue” and then they ask him to service the damaged light.
Thanks T18 for editing your post.
Teacher, that post did contain language that in my opinion in tone and in the use of words should be avoided on an internet forum, and which also would not stand the test against the rules of this forum: I would not like my son to read that post.
Thanks T18 for editing your post.
Teacher, that post did contain language that in my opinion in tone and in the use of words should be avoided on an internet forum, and which also would not stand the test against the rules of this forum: I would not like my son to read that post.
That is fine ‘djozz’, we all have our opinions.
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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
You know Teacher, I am so glad to call you friend because it’s time like this when I bow down and appease as always and you come along and kick me in my ass and basically tell me to get some spine and defend myself, that is to me is what a good friend does,
You know I don’t get mad easy least of all post something about being angry if I wasn’t actually angry, it takes a lot for me to go that far, so stir that pot, do what you do best and never ever change,
I’m just getting to old and set in my ways to change who I am and have no intentions of changing who I am,
For anyone curious I am just basically an easy going guy who loves flashlights, and I am respectful of everyone.
I would be happier though if some would show me some of the respect I show them, but maybe that’s just not going to be, beats me, I’ll just keep being me, for real, and decent, kind and understanding of everyone regardless of what stupid things they might say about me or what I post,
I’m not scared of them and won’t stop going to some thread because of some whining or claims of offended nonsense.
I appreciate that T18, I feel the same way. Hey man, don’t even think about changing who you basically are; just be you…. it will all sort itself out.
If you get right down to it there is really very little for anyone to really get “mad or angry” about here on BLF. Pretty much for the most part it is just a bunch of people with a bunch of different opinions. Some do know more than others about certain subjects for sure.
A few even know MUCH more, and not just what they have read either; they know it also from practical experience & use. …… but they usually have enough sense to stay away from the trivial jousting some of us seem to do.
A lot of us, myself included; should probably take a lesson.
Anyway, it’s all good………. carry on.
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You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
I had mentioned to never say GLUE at BLF, but well… lost in translation maybe, I did tell the OP that BLF will go nuts over this light and that was no understatement that’s for sure, just some advise don’t let anything stop you from buying this product, heck if you buy this light and your not happy I’ll even buy it from you if you pay shipping.. Really.. That’s how confident I am. Maybe shouldn’t say that but I mean it..
Thanks for clarifying, got it.
I admire your confidence, you would be great as a reseller of Jaxman flashlights or someone who would do customer service in the western world.
Thanks T18 for editing your post.
Teacher, that post did contain language that in my opinion in tone and in the use of words should be avoided on an internet forum, and which also would not stand the test against the rules of this forum: I would not like my son to read that post.
No really thank you djozz, I was wrong for what I posted and I was also wrong about what irritated me to begin with, so as I mentioned if someone brings their personal feelings to me and says what’s bothering them as you did, you told me you felt offended, also that my post made you not want to come to this thread any longer, not exact quote but close enough, so being I am who I am I just do what is right, respectful and honorable and keeps this community in harmony, well until next time I guess.. ha ha NO problem djozz I have a lot of respect for you personally and I was just wrong, end of story..
I had mentioned to never say GLUE at BLF, but well… lost in translation maybe, I did tell the OP that BLF will go nuts over this light and that was no understatement that’s for sure, just some advise don’t let anything stop you from buying this product, heck if you buy this light and your not happy I’ll even buy it from you if you pay shipping.. Really.. That’s how confident I am. Maybe shouldn’t say that but I mean it..
Thanks for clarifying, got it.
I admire your confidence, you would be great as a reseller of Jaxman flashlights or someone who would do customer service in the western world.
What I’ve been fired already?
Oh, sorry misread your very nice comment, thank you, and who says I’m not..? ha ha
Jaxman is my number one vendor, and has been going back to about day 4 of open for business I think, back when it was just Jax, then some issues came up where that name had been used so it was changed to Jaxman.
I’ll back this product all day long and then some and there’s been some talk but I won’t say what really but you came real close to hitting a nail right on the head actually, but there’s another man who would be some tough, established and well very experienced in those matters that I’ve sort of pointed towards to fill that sort of role really, I hope it happens, we shall see as it sure would be better for everyone IMO all the way around to have a Western Rep for a number of vendors really, Jaxman is one for sure, high quality always.. Thank you again… G.
Im not a modder but I sure do like to buy modded lights
Is this lighrt special because it is a triple tube light from a manufacturer?
If the host is special in some way he should slap a premium price on his host if he decides to sell them.
$20.00 bucks a host.
It is special because it’s (iirc) the first mass produced triple tube light, and the host is designed for triple plus optics. No funny spacers needed, plus a nice thick integrated shelf for heatsinking. It is also very affordable, $25 USD for the entire light.
well I dont understand everything here,but it looks like in the case of using triple xpl hi or nichias we dont need spacers?but spacer we use also for better heat transfet right?so is in this jaxman host guaranteed good heattransfer?iam blind..I dont see copper in the head…correct me
The spacer is just to make up for the lack of reflector. A triple optic is smaller so we have to fill that gap. The spacer doesn’t help with long-term heat transfer either, but it does allow short bursts of direct drive for 30+ seconds. It’s possible this might not direct drive well because there’s not a chunk of metal to eat the heat, however, the pill is quite solid yes? It will handle non direct drive just fine, a triple can actually run cooler than a single LED because it’s running at a lower amperage so they are in a better efficiency range.
Im not a modder but I sure do like to buy modded lights
Is this lighrt special because it is a triple tube light from a manufacturer?
If the host is special in some way he should slap a premium price on his host if he decides to sell them.
$20.00 bucks a host.
It is special because it’s (iirc) the first mass produced triple tube light, and the host is designed for triple plus optics. No funny spacers needed, plus a nice thick integrated shelf for heatsinking. It is also very affordable, $25 USD for the entire light.
well I dont understand everything here,but it looks like in the case of using triple xpl hi or nichias we dont need spacers?but spacer we use also for better heat transfet right?so is in this jaxman host guaranteed good heattransfer?iam blind..I dont see copper in the head…correct me
Spacers in traditional S2+ (for instance) builds are required because the height of the LEDPCB + Optics != The height of the original LEDPCB + Reflector. Therefore, something is needed to fill in the excess space, and a Cu or Al spacer is used because they conduct heat well. However, this Jaxman was designed for a triple setup to begin with, so a spacer is simply not needed for parts to fit. It also has an integrated shelf, meaning that the part of the light the LED sits on is actually integrated with the body of the light. This means that thermal transfer between the LED and the body of the light is greatly aided. However, having a spacer means the light will have higher thermal mass, meaning that the light will take longer to heat up.
TL;DR? This Jaxman will conduct heat from the LEDs to the body of the light to be radiated off better than a spacer build, but a light with a spacer takes longer to heat up initially.
aha.ok.but I wanted to use xplhi..thats a maximum you can get in a triple.
so without a good heatsink it will be damaged on dd with fet driver I guess
You can most definitely use XP-L HI in this light (if you can get past the glue . This light will have less thermal mass than one with a large spacer, but will also wick heat away from the LED quicker due to it’s direct thermal path. This means that if you have a direct drive triple with a thermal threshold, it will heat up faster, but also cool quicker. as far as actual results vs a spacer S2+ build, I guess we have to wait until someone does it
I am confused about something… exactly what is glued to what in the stock light? I saw the pics earlier, but:
- is the MCPCB glued to the built-in shelf?
- is the optic (feet) glued to the MCPCB?
- is the driver glued in (and how)?
- Are the head-to-body threads (or any other threads) glued?
My “impression” is that only the MCPCB is glued to the built-in shelf, to prevent the MCPCP and optic from spinning (and causing the optic to chop off the emitter) when screwing the bezel and o-ring in.
As far as we can tell, the MPCB is glued to the shelf.
Ok, thanks. That’s what it looks like to me, too.
If (note the “if”) that is the case, then, modding (e.g., replacing the emitters with some other emitter) would only encounter the glue because of having to somehow getting the MCPCB unglued from the shelf?
Maybe instead of doing that, could the emitters be reflowed “in place”? I have done that in the past with some lights (Nitecore) using a heat gun. They weren’t triples though…
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Thank you for the M2 link T18, I like the looks of that!
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(about post #183) Hey T18, would you mind slowing down a bit? I can’t really find where your anger comes from but your rants with rather explicit language makes me not want to visit this thread anymore, even though I bought the E2L so I’m curious about what people think of it. I hope that the OP is not scared away by overheated reactions like yours, rather than by discussions over glue
link to djozz tests
Yes, Please accept my apologies, it’s response to something someone aimed at me, but that’s not an excuse to use the language that you referred to and I will remove that, whether justified or not, I know better, I’m sorry..!
But honestly, I am still trying to figure out what you are apologizing for.
I noticed you did delete your rather mild mannered semi-rant post, but I personally found no greatly offensive language in it as was suggested. And certainly nothing so terrible as to keep anyone from visiting this thread.But hey, if that is the case may the door not hit them in the keister on the way out.
I’ll reluctiantly delete my “quote” of your now deleted post… since I will assume that would be your wish.
And if I were you I would not loose any sleep about your post “scaring off” the OP… I doubt he “scares” that easily.
If anything runs him off it will be the reaction to “glue” and requests for 50 or so individual variations of the same light……..
That would be enough to make any manufacturer run screaming for cover….
You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
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Stirring the pot“stirring+the+pot” is generally ill-advised.
I’ll comment further once the light I bought arrives.
But isn’t that how you get a smooth blend of the herbs for a mild but long lasting buzz?
As far as I am concerned sometimes the “pot” needs a good stirring.
Otherwise all the “ingredients” separate and clump together, that makes for a one sided taste for the “soup”. Always give it a good stir before you serve it up!!!!
Also being the nice, easy going fellow that I am; I will just assume the Stirring the pot“stirring+the+pot” reference above, below my last post; was not directed at me. Or at least not at me solely………
Because the pot in this thread has been stirred a bunch by several people already, throughout the thread; whether overtly or covertly.
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.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
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I figured since you deleted your post, and since I strive to be a Southern Gentleman; it was the least I could do to deleted my “quote” of your post. (Even though I personally did not see much wrong with it.)
Yep T18, I would have to agree whole heartily with your “Edit” above.
… Only problem is we are all still trying to figure out what that “something else” is. …… 
Take care………
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T18, who is Paul? Is it Jaxman himself or a reseller?
If I understood Jaxman correctly, he seems to have the same exact issues as Paul, people who request his flashlight without the “glue” and then they ask him to service the damaged light.
My reviews:
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Thanks T18 for editing your post.
Teacher, that post did contain language that in my opinion in tone and in the use of words should be avoided on an internet forum, and which also would not stand the test against the rules of this forum: I would not like my son to read that post.
link to djozz tests
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If you get right down to it there is really very little for anyone to really get “mad or angry” about here on BLF. Pretty much for the most part it is just a bunch of people with a bunch of different opinions. Some do know more than others about certain subjects for sure.
A few even know MUCH more, and not just what they have read either; they know it also from practical experience & use.
…… but they usually have enough sense to stay away from the trivial jousting some of us seem to do. 
A lot of us, myself included; should probably take a lesson.
Anyway, it’s all good………. carry on.
You never know how a horse will pull until you hook him up to a heavy load./"Bear" Bryant
.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
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Fantastic Teacher.. appreciated and fully agree, thanks pal
Thanks for clarifying, got it.
I admire your confidence, you would be great as a reseller of Jaxman flashlights or someone who would do customer service in the western world.
My reviews:
Thorfire C8s , Thorfire VG-10 , Sipik SK68 , Duracell 350 , Big L@rry , Mystery AAA
No really thank you djozz, I was wrong for what I posted and I was also wrong about what irritated me to begin with, so as I mentioned if someone brings their personal feelings to me and says what’s bothering them as you did, you told me you felt offended, also that my post made you not want to come to this thread any longer, not exact quote but close enough, so being I am who I am I just do what is right, respectful and honorable and keeps this community in harmony, well until next time I guess.. ha ha NO problem djozz I have a lot of respect for you personally and I was just wrong, end of story..
What I’ve been fired already?
Oh, sorry misread your very nice comment, thank you, and who says I’m not..? ha ha
Jaxman is my number one vendor, and has been going back to about day 4 of open for business I think, back when it was just Jax, then some issues came up where that name had been used so it was changed to Jaxman.
I’ll back this product all day long and then some and there’s been some talk but I won’t say what really but you came real close to hitting a nail right on the head actually, but there’s another man who would be some tough, established and well very experienced in those matters that I’ve sort of pointed towards to fill that sort of role really, I hope it happens, we shall see as it sure would be better for everyone IMO all the way around to have a Western Rep for a number of vendors really, Jaxman is one for sure, high quality always.. Thank you again… G.
Thank goodness they got rid of strobe/sos. My new E2 nichia peeves me off to no end. Bad UI. Worst yet.
I requested No Strobe or Blinkies and was granted by Jaxman.
If you have a soldering iron, you can change the E2 UI by soldering stars on the driver.
EDC-Amutorch X9 XHP50 nw,Sofirn If-25A cw
Headlamp-Thrunite TH30 nw
The spacer is just to make up for the lack of reflector. A triple optic is smaller so we have to fill that gap. The spacer doesn’t help with long-term heat transfer either, but it does allow short bursts of direct drive for 30+ seconds. It’s possible this might not direct drive well because there’s not a chunk of metal to eat the heat, however, the pill is quite solid yes? It will handle non direct drive just fine, a triple can actually run cooler than a single LED because it’s running at a lower amperage so they are in a better efficiency range.
Feel free to correct me still learning.
Spacers in traditional S2+ (for instance) builds are required because the height of the LED PCB + Optics != The height of the original LED PCB + Reflector. Therefore, something is needed to fill in the excess space, and a Cu or Al spacer is used because they conduct heat well. However, this Jaxman was designed for a triple setup to begin with, so a spacer is simply not needed for parts to fit. It also has an integrated shelf, meaning that the part of the light the LED sits on is actually integrated with the body of the light. This means that thermal transfer between the LED and the body of the light is greatly aided. However, having a spacer means the light will have higher thermal mass, meaning that the light will take longer to heat up.
TL;DR? This Jaxman will conduct heat from the LEDs to the body of the light to be radiated off better than a spacer build, but a light with a spacer takes longer to heat up initially.
aha.ok.but I wanted to use xplhi..thats a maximum you can get in a triple.
so without a good heatsink it will be damaged on dd with fet driver I guess
EDC-Amutorch X9 XHP50 nw,Sofirn If-25A cw
Headlamp-Thrunite TH30 nw
You can most definitely use XP-L HI in this light (if you can get past the glue
. This light will have less thermal mass than one with a large spacer, but will also wick heat away from the LED quicker due to it’s direct thermal path. This means that if you have a direct drive triple with a thermal threshold, it will heat up faster, but also cool quicker. as far as actual results vs a spacer S2+ build, I guess we have to wait until someone does it 
Hi,
I am confused about something… exactly what is glued to what in the stock light? I saw the pics earlier, but:
- is the MCPCB glued to the built-in shelf?
- is the optic (feet) glued to the MCPCB?
- is the driver glued in (and how)?
- Are the head-to-body threads (or any other threads) glued?
My “impression” is that only the MCPCB is glued to the built-in shelf, to prevent the MCPCP and optic from spinning (and causing the optic to chop off the emitter) when screwing the bezel and o-ring in.
Is that correct?
EDIT: Clarified wording.
As far as we can tell, the MPCB is glued to the shelf.
Got me one ordered a couple of minutes ago.
I can’t wait !!!!!
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.................................. "Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast" ...................................
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I would love to see a 1x26650 version of the Jaxman E2L using Nichia 219B emitters.
I'd be up for a mule, as well.
Ok, thanks. That’s what it looks like to me, too.
If (note the “if”) that is the case, then, modding (e.g., replacing the emitters with some other emitter) would only encounter the glue because of having to somehow getting the MCPCB unglued from the shelf?
Maybe instead of doing that, could the emitters be reflowed “in place”? I have done that in the past with some lights (Nitecore) using a heat gun. They weren’t triples though…
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