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While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!


Nothing of actual relevance? Go somewhere else. Please? Crying

Why so Serious? Angry Lighten UP, life is SHORT! Big Smile

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alternety wrote:
While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!

Perhaps don’t bother opening the thread unless The Miller changes the title of the thread? He has already said if there is news it’ll go in the thread title and get updated in the OP.

We need to keep ourselves amused somehow!

+432.65 …. 110% agree. Nothing going on at the moment, might as well be jovial. Big Smile

Somewhat like the quote below suggests….. Wink

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Welcome to Budget Light Forum! You should have been here in the old days, the quote brackets could get 30 deep! Misdirection was the rule of the day, not otherwise.

You will still be notified when it’s time to buy the light, nothing else really relevant at this point anyway… everyone’s waiting for the springs to be updated and we’ll pretty much be ready to go, or so I understand it.

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As for me, I don’t subscribe to ANY thread, so I don’t get email or any alerts.

I just click the “recent posts” then scan the new posts on threads that interest me, and that’s it.

Several hundreds of posts of “count me in for 1 (or 2)” can’t be any less bothersome than the ‘off-topic’ you are referring to… Ughh

Same here, that is how I always do it also.

I will turn on PM notification when expecting something like will be coming for th Q8. Otherwise it is turned off also… Smile

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If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!

Nothing of actual relevance? Go somewhere else. Please? Crying

Why so Serious? Angry Lighten UP, life is SHORT! Big Smile

I like BLF the way it is, and I hope it stays the way it is, which is FUN! Wink I’m a firm believer and supporter of Rule #9 Thumbs Up

http://budgetlightforum.com/forum/misc/siterules

Dang, well stated KB! . Thumbs Up .. Beer

Rule #9…… I love it!! Cool

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alternety wrote:
nothing of actual relevance

Awesome, that’s my favorite topic. I’m full of irrelevance… or was that irreverence?

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in the old days, the quote brackets could get 30 deep!

They still can… but I added a stylesheet to hide anything deeper than three levels. Sometimes though, we get some pretty epic quote nesting:

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The power’s that be have relegated me to the back burner, as it were.

We really need to get you back on the front burner somehow.

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And continuing to enjoy the ever present hot wire. … Is it strange that my thumb shows an amperage reading of 0.388 on my clamp meter?


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tatasal wrote:
I’m a firm believer and supporter of Rule #9 Thumbs Up

http://budgetlightforum.com/forum/misc/siterules

Rule #9…… I love it!! Cool



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Fun is mandatory.

Violators will be tickled.

Amen……. Wink

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teacher wrote:

OK…. Thank you for the info. Yeah the “ugly blue” was what I was wondering about?
Come to think of it maybe the blue tinted headlights I am thinking about may not even be LED’s??? I just know when an oncoming car has them they are blinding… to me anyway. Wink

Oh my. Your quite out of date aren’t you?

Most of the bright blue lights you see are HID kits that have retrofitted. These have been popular for the last 10 or 12 years ever since the OEMs started using them. People just toss them in and don’t readjust their lights. Or else the light source is not where it should be and it messes up the beam pattern.

Leds in cars is a relatively new thing the last 2 or 3 years. There are not many out there on the road yet. Most led kits use big round leds that are bright (some are not), but don’t mix well with reflectors. Again the beam patterns get all screwed up.

Led headlights are still in their infancy and are moving away from fan cooled and huge emitters to passive cooling and small emitter groups that mimic the size, shape and location of the original filaments. These will give very good beam patterns as well as much more brightness.

On a projector light, the light source is less critical because you have the cutoff shield which prevents glare.

“Good” led lights for reflectors are quite hard to find.

Here are some “good” leds I found for my 86 Honda motorcycle that has a reflector headlight. Note the sharp cutoff (just like stock), plus it’s much brighter than stock.

Stock:

“Good” led:

Here is the key to good beam pattern with LED.

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alternety wrote:
While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!


Forget about it. The thread’s been hijacked by a bunch of people who clearly get enjoyment in annoying others. They’re in here specifically because they get a lot of visibility. You know, like a bunch of attention seeking teens with too much time on their hands, except without the excuse of being young. No amount of arguing will reason with people who don’t give a damn about others because “we’re having fun in here”.
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alternety wrote:
While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!


Forget about it. The thread’s been hijacked by a bunch of people who clearly get enjoyment in annoying others. They’re in here specifically because they get a lot of visibility. You know, like a bunch of attention seeking teens with too much time on their hands, except without the excuse of being young. No amount of arguing will reason with people who don’t give a damn about others because “we’re having fun in here”.

Well personally I prefer the off topic banter than nothing at all when there is nothing to report, I suppose you would complain about lack of posts if there were days or even weeks between posts due to no off topic posts, besides where is the on topic content in your post Silly

Anyways back to “we’re having fun in here”.

Cheers David

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

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alternety wrote:
While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!


Forget about it. The thread’s been hijacked by a bunch of people who clearly get enjoyment in annoying others. They’re in here specifically because they get a lot of visibility. You know, like a bunch of attention seeking teens with too much time on their hands, except without the excuse of being young. No amount of arguing will reason with people who don’t give a damn about others because “we’re having fun in here”.

Hmm, in the people having fun in this thread I do not recognise ‘attention seeking’ and ‘enjoyment in annoying others’. I just see people having fun, that’s all, IMO off-topic fun is a good tradition on BLF (and there’s no age limit for that! Smile )
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fixed it wrote:
alternety wrote:
While I find some of the posts from the last couple of weeks mildly interesting, I really would prefer the unrelated posts that have been happening would create their own thread. Maybe something like “Q8 participants off topic prattle”.

Many (most) of the Q8 people on the thread are getting alerts, but when we go to the thread; content irrelevant in the extreme. It is very very annoying and quite useless. I have better things to do. I (and I believe many many others) are simply monitoring the progress of the Q8 project and evaluating issues actually applicable to the Q8. I also believe that most of us would really prefer the chatter to go somewhere else. I want to have a thread to follow Q8 development/issues/changes/progress reports. Nothing else is really worth the continual interruption to support insider fun.

If there is nothing of actual relevance to the Q8 project; go somewhere else. Please!

Forget about it. The thread’s been hijacked by a bunch of people who clearly get enjoyment in annoying others. They’re in here specifically because they get a lot of visibility. You know, like a bunch of attention seeking teens with too much time on their hands, except without the excuse of being young. No amount of arguing will reason with people who don’t give a damn about others because “we’re having fun in here”.
Well personally I prefer the off topic banter than nothing at all when there is nothing to report, I suppose you would complain about lack of posts if there were days or even weeks between posts due to no off topic posts, besides where is the on topic content in your post Silly

Anyways back to “we’re having fun in here”.

Cheers David

+1 Thumbs Up .. Thanks for saying that nicely David! I can now just agree with you and be spared writing something not so “pleasant”. Big Smile
Now… back to our regularly scheduled program of “childish attention seeking fun” while also patiently awaiting news of the Q8 variety. Wink

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Hmm, in the people having fun in this thread I do not recognise ‘attention seeking’ and ‘enjoyment in annoying others’. I just see people having fun, that’s all, IMO off-topic fun is a good tradition on BLF (and there’s no age limit for that! Smile )
Another well written, nice reply! +1 Thumbs Up
You guys are great!!! You have litterally save me from death by RUDE button. Shocked
Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!!!! Big Smile

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Well personally I prefer the off topic banter than nothing at all when there is nothing to report, I suppose you would complain about lack of posts if there were days or even weeks between posts due to no off topic posts, besides where is the on topic content in your post Silly
No, I would not. We’ve had slow weeks before in this thread and it was just fine. In fact, this thread was fine for the better part of a year. It’s only recently that it has become a mess.

I get it that people are waiting and bored and some have a lot of time to kill. But that does not have to be done in here. I mean, would you lot go stomp on RMM’s store thread that way? Surely not! At least not that I’ve seen so far on BLF. So why the lack of respect for this project?

And stop with the excuses of “just read the topic/first post”. You know very well that not everything discussed ends up in there. And that which does often does only after the discussion is done.

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Well when something turns into something real like the car LEDs it would be nice to starts separate topic for it, if only to gt info easy to find strengthening the BLF knowledge base Wink

Pilotdog68 has received his as well, yay

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Is’nt it up to the OP to decide if (s)he wants/doesn’t want OT posts in his/her thread? In this case it is up to the miller to decide I guess, after all it’s his thread and he has to stay on top of things to keep the list updated and answer relevant questions.
I don’t really get annoyed by the OT chatter but when I see like +20 new posts I always hope for some relevant info (batteries, chargers, lenses, LED…) and it’s kind of a let down when it has nothing todo with the Q8. But if the Miller is ok with it who am I to complain. Life’s to short anyway to complain bout what I see on my screen.

So what’s up with the other 2 Q8 proto types? To who where they send and is there any tracking info?
Edit: ok Pilotdog got his jeey, must have posted simultaneously .

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PD68 has his
Only DEL needs to receive it

I hope Thijsco and PD68 can find the time to post (a little) about their lights Wink

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So the title can be updated, since 6 out of 7 received their sample #3 Cool

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Anybody else see where this could be going?

M4D M4X had his ‘New Blog’ discussion thread locked, and all posts except for the OP excluded once a Lynch Mob mentality took over, exacerbated by xenophobia and nationalistic slurs.

A thread questioning whether BLF has become less friendly answered it’s own query by bringing out pent up hostility from a single individual, initially aimed at one of the best known, highly respected, most humble, considerate, and generous contributors at BLF.

Once again, BLF’s guiding light and angel/overseer had to step in to provide a ‘Reality Adjustment’ by locking the thread.
Looking back, the Meteor Sales and Discussion thread generated the ‘How many Meteors do you own’ thread, giving birth to the Meteor GAW thread, and the ‘Why not a group buy for a decent SRK clone’ concept that has become known as this ‘Q8’ thread. Open ended discussion and free thought is fundamental for such evolution.

Creative processes stepping ‘outside the box’ are not like faucets able to be turned on and off. Left brain/right brain hemispheric interaction, logic inspired and/or stimulated by imagination along with open ended neural architecture juggling corollaries can be basic to genius thinking and problem solving. We might step into a shower, and then find an answer appearing in a flash when the logistical thought processes surrender themselves; listening to relaxing music, or meditation can do the same.

What seems like meandering, off topic foolishness can also be part of the ‘process’ TK mentions as being what interests her the most. I doubt many of the progenitors of the Q8 project need another flashlight; their reward is traveling the path, not merely arriving at the destination.

While Impatience, anxiety and frustration are forming a multi-headed monster hungry to consume another BLF thread, ThorFire could be wondering about the fugliness, eventually arriving at a conclusion such as Alexandra Wentworth was fond of offering during her days at Living Color….

“Chaaaaahh, you know vat???…….Unh Unh !!!

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Tjohn wrote:
Alexandra Wentworth was fond of offering during her days at Living Color….

“Chaaaaahh, you know vat???…….Unh Unh !!!


I think that was Mad TV’s Nicole Sullivan doing the Vancome Lady. Good times. Lol

Thanks man, clearly I had a fixation (or a physical/emotional perturbation) from the playfully erotic, and more attractive Alexandra Wentworth at that time.
It was so bad, I never even noticed young Jennifer Lopez in the cast of dancers on Living Color back then.

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All the world is a stage, with us as the players, and today we’re performing a modern mash-up adaptation of two mid-20th-century French titles — Waiting For Godot and No Exit. Each day we hear that Godot won’t be arriving today, but surely tomorrow, so we go around and around the same cyclical discussions while we wait. Over time we begin to notice the patterns and recognize the absurdity of the situation, and we seek to bring an end to it all… but the attempts reliably fail. There is no way out. Only then does the truth become clear — hell is other people. And so we laugh, we cry, and we resign ourselves to repeat it all again tomorrow.

On a related note, Q8 turned on its side makes a speech bubble and the symbol for infinity.

It’s a conspiracy, I tell you. This has been the Q8 team’s evil plan all along. There is no light, there is only endless banter!

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Hey! You people stop being friendly and enjoying each others company while waiting! It’s annoying! Big Smile Oh, and stop smiling and having fun! *

As previously written the email notification will change subject after something important happened. When that happens if you don’t want to wade through the chatter just go to the first post in the thread to get the meat. This has been written before so some folks have no excuse for what they recently wrote. Except that they think that they can control people being friendly on a forum known for this sort of banter.

*Story time… I actually had a sometimes “boss” at work who made similar serious statements to what I wrote in jest. She was pure poison. She got the middle finger salute, done behind her back. She didn’t come out of her workspace very often. She was NOT a very nice person and had all the personality of a badger. In another area she would regularly threaten “her” workers jobs and after a time they told her to just “Go ahead!”, to her face. They still have their jobs and she was put into a cage out of our sight (there was some doubt as to her humanity) and shipped off to parts unknown. Maybe back to the hyena enclosure. It was a big place (1500+ workers) and misfits would regularly show up as they do in any cross section of society. They were tolerated for a time then gotten rid of if they didn’t straighten out. Once I had the dubious “pleasure” of having her as a distant supervisor (the same place she threatened the workers). In that time realizing I was the noob I kept my mouth shut and did more than what was required of me. If I was in conflict I did what I could to get along realizing I was the noob that had to fit in, and others weren’t going to change to suit me. I had more overall seniority, but none in that department.

There might be a good reason I wrote all of the above, or maybe I just had time, nothing better to do, and just wanted to take a walk down memory lane.

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Tjohn wrote:
Anybody else see where this could be going?

M4D M4X had his ‘New Blog’ discussion thread locked, and all posts except for the OP excluded once a Lynch Mob mentality took over, exacerbated by xenophobia and nationalistic slurs.

A thread questioning whether BLF has become less friendly answered it’s own query by bringing out pent up hostility from a single individual, initially aimed at one of the best known, highly respected, most humble, considerate, and generous contributors at BLF.

Once again, BLF’s guiding light and angel/overseer had to step in to provide a ‘Reality Adjustment’ by locking the thread.
Looking back, the Meteor Sales and Discussion thread generated the ‘How many Meteors do you own’ thread, giving birth to the Meteor GAW thread, and the ‘Why not a group buy for a decent SRK clone’ concept that has become known as this ‘Q8’ thread. Open ended discussion and free thought is fundamental for such evolution.

Creative processes stepping ‘outside the box’ are not like faucets able to be turned on and off. Left brain/right brain hemispheric interaction, logic inspired and/or stimulated by imagination along with open ended neural architecture juggling corollaries can be basic to genius thinking and problem solving. We might step into a shower, and then find an answer appearing in a flash when the logistical thought processes surrender themselves; listening to relaxing music, or meditation can do the same.

What seems like meandering, off topic foolishness can also be part of the ‘process’ TK mentions as being what interests her the most. I doubt many of the progenitors of the Q8 project need another flashlight; their reward is traveling the path, not merely arriving at the destination.

While Impatience, anxiety and frustration are forming a multi-headed monster hungry to consume another BLF thread, ThorFire could be wondering about the fugliness, eventually arriving at a conclusion such as Alexandra Wentworth was fond of offering during her days at Living Color….

“Chaaaaahh, you know vat???…….Unh Unh !!!

Amen

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The Miller, That didn’t take too long! I wonder what sights it saw during it’s tour of the world?

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The Miller, That didn’t take too long! I wonder what sights it saw during it’s tour of the world?
Big Smile ……. If only #6 could speak. Wink

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teacher wrote:
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The Miller, That didn’t take too long! I wonder what sights it saw during it’s tour of the world?
Big Smile ……. If only #6 could speak. Wink

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Tjohn wrote:
Anybody else see where this could be going?

M4D M4X had his ‘New Blog’ discussion thread locked, and all posts except for the OP excluded once a Lynch Mob mentality took over, exacerbated by xenophobia and nationalistic slurs.

That was an entirely different situation.
Personally, I think we are far from that and not even headed in that direction.

The Q8 is all but set. There will be no discussion about any changes to amount to anything…… Because there will be no changes.

Read the title &/or the OP if you don’t enjoy the friendly banter & remember Rule 9.

This is not a Space Shuttle launch.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
……..Q8 turned on its side makes a speech bubble and the symbol for infinity.

It’s a conspiracy, I tell you. This has been the Q8 team’s evil plan all along. There is no light, there is only endless banter!

OMG
Now you’ve gone and done it.
I thought you promised!

What really was that red stuff you signed with?

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fixed it wrote:
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So why the lack of respect for this project?

huh what lack of respect, if you are going to have a shot at me at least show proof.

fixed it wrote:
And stop with the excuses of “just read the topic/first post”. You know very well that not everything discussed ends up in there. And that which does often does only after the discussion is done.

I have NEVER posted “just read the topic/first post” so how can I stop what I never started Facepalm

Looks like I had better just sit back and not post as the fun police have spoken Sick

Cheers David

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

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Erethryn wrote:
teacher wrote:
BrianK wrote:
The Miller, That didn’t take too long! I wonder what sights it saw during it’s tour of the world?
Big Smile ……. If only #6 could speak. Wink

I am not a number! I am a free flashlight!

Haha, reminds me to this;

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But seriously, people may have somewhat shorter fuses than usual with all the stuff happening outside BLF lately… it seems like the whole world is on edge. Hundreds of people waiting together in a cramped space like this is going to cause some friction even on a good day, and there have been a lot of not-so-good days lately.

So as a general guideline, any time you are faced with a decision of whether to escalate or not, please take a deep breath and choose not to escalate unfortunate situations. Strong opinions can be very satisfying to express, and they can attract a lot of attention, but they tend to be divisive and cause conflict.

If you must get frustrations out, direct them toward Moloch, the incarnation of the system itself. Because almost no one is evil; the problem is that almost everything is broken. It’s almost never malicious intent which causes our problems but, rather, the systems in which we live. In almost any complex multi-person system, the system acts according to its own chaotic incentives that don’t necessarily correspond with what any individual within the system wants.

Now, in a relatively small system, individual efforts to go against the flow are important. A few people swimming upstream can have a significant impact on the overall flow of the system. However, in larger systems, individual efforts are mostly irrelevant. The flow will follow the shortest path toward the incentives regardless of individual attempts to divert it in other directions. It does what Moloch wants, not what the people trapped in the system want.

As the thread grows, and as BLF grows, we keep bumping into Moloch in new ways… and we keep having to come up with new solutions for that. The lessons learned here will surely help future projects to run a little smoother, but for now please try to be patient and charitable toward each other.

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