New 4XP Noctigon MCPCB for quad optic

No. Nobody has numbers yet. Those are made-up.

I didn’t try to put all factors into one graph. :slight_smile:
A 3-dimensional graph can show 3 factors. In this case:

X = brightness level in UI (1-9 of 9, or 1-150 of 150)
Y = lumens
Z = time

I’m not trying to regulate flat lumen output in firmware at all, and I don’t think the D4 firmware does either. I don’t care much if output sags over time. I do try to regulate heat though, because I don’t like to damage the hardware or burn the user.

The firmware could attempt to do flat current regulation on a FET, by increasing PWM level or decreasing PFM ceiling as voltage drops. I’ve done it before. It’s complicated and fragile and not very effective. I don’t find it worthwhile. Current regulation is better handled at a hardware level.

As far as I can tell, the D4 should have high maximum current, ability to fit in a pocketable light, and low price. The efficiency isn’t going to be as good as a Zebralight, but it should be significantly better than a FET-only driver. So… 3/4 maybe?

The D4 gets 3/4, but it doesn’t have a boost driver. I was specifically addressing boost drivers: good ones are either big or expensive.

Does anybody of you use lights except for wow - effect?
As already said this host can carry 5-7W for long time. With 10-15W consumption it would be hot like zebra on turbo. With 20W+ it would be an useless toy. I have 30W pocket light of similar size and overheating(65C) occurs after 17 seconds.
A price of Skilhunt h03 with buck driver is obout 30$. So D4 with dd , pwm and unknown output (becouse of rumping) is only quite expensive host for mod.
After M43, D4 is huge step back for Hank. I understand that d4 is already in production but I hope to see good drivers in the next Hank s light.

The Meteor is called Noctigon MEteor, and is sold as a semi-high end flashlight with a rather high price-point…
The D4 is sold under Emisar brand, at 35$ for a quad… you can’t expect the same level of technology/efficiency/Russian eforums exigence…
Please, Russian fellows, give us the secret to make 35$ flashlights with magical boost driver fully relgulated at all levels :expressionless:

I don’t want cheap flashlight. I want to spent my money for good thing that I can use every day.

The good thing is that no one forces you to buy it ….I do not understand your disgust, if something I do not like I do not buy it and I do not walk all day complaining ….
I like this price at what it offers, so I will buy one. The good thing is that no one forces anyone to buy anything.
(of course, I will buy it only if Hank decide sell in his store….)

So we waited the same hi level with out analogs on market. But we received another astrolux.
It’s as if the ferrarri will release ford fiesta.

This is disappointment and nothing more/

If this one is not good enough, buy a zebralight instead. Problem solved.

And be happy with its greenish tint :smiley:

It’s fun to see how people who pay the price of a mid-range flashlight want to have a zebralight in their hands ….:wink:

M43 also had a price of a mid-range flashlight when it was relised. I dont want another zebralight.
I was waiting for good 4led light with good modern driver for adequate price.

I really understand you…but the “adequate” price for this, is obviously higher than 35 USD…(is only my opinion, of course)

When the M43 was released there was no cheap variant of such a light. Today we do have cheap/affordable single 18650 triple and quad lights. It might be tricky if the D4 were priced significantly higher than $35, as people might (= will) find it overpriced. It’s a choice I’m sure, but I also understand the disappointment.

I agree to add 15-20 bucks and even 25 bucks for good driver .
For those who do not want to pay much astrolux and manker exist with similar lights.

and all these have low quality , pwm or dd driver bad ui and so on. And now there is one more such light. So I am not happy )

I think that the last Manker are not comparable with the last Astrolux…. (better of course the Manker)

Manker u11 coupon price was $30. Quality host with build-in charger, buck driver, side switch, compact size. Same quality light without manker brand could probably cost much less (utorch?). Make changes to fit quad optics (similar to my quad kit, even less machining in comparing with place for reflector). Optics is not more expensive than reflector. PCB footprint doesnt influence on board self-cost (neverless board is single or quad led). Only thing that can increase price - three extra leds (not big difference between 4xXP-G3 vs 1xXP-L).

Yep
IMHO.
Here the question is not in price. Many were waiting for the same functionality as in the Meteor. And not at all for $ 35. Let it be more expensive. Let it be $50-70. The cost of parts for Indigo is about 15-20 dollars. But not everyone can make a circuit board himself :frowning:

The code for indigo 5.0 is also open. But it’s in assembler
Indigo_5.0_final.txt
http://forum.fonarevka.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=87964&d=1382298519

If someone irritates links to a foreign forum, I’m sorry. It’s just a way to show the best that is for today :smiley:

No one has ever objected to any link to any forum on BLF :slight_smile:

[quote=ToyKeeper]

I just wanted to say that M43 driver could have full smooth dimming but it’s more technical issue. That’s the first time that I see this graphs, who is the source? I might have missed something because I’ve never used M43 only his free beta version “Indigo” they’re close but not the same regarding to interface and in reality it has completely smooth ramping, as i can see it. So I would prefer not to compare flashlights but more talking about driver features.

Open source? It’s fully open as mentioned above. May be the time for dedicated “Indigo” topic on BLF has come. Spread the light! :slight_smile:

[quote=kiriba-ru]

This is the key point.

I would pay even more if it worth it. Anyway I can do it by myself, no sense to argue. We are just discussing why we have that we have…

Yes, 2 years we waited Noctigon Meteor M13/M14 and got Noctigon Astrolux. Disappointment.