FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

Stainless is actually very bendy. It has properties that set it apart from other steels. Titanium can handle most things, depends on the grade. Grade 1 is soft and ductile, Grade 5 is good at most things and can be hardened. Mechanically it would be fine as a pocket clip, not so much as the host itself with it’s poor thermal and electrical properties.

All I know about ti clips is from my own experience, and my experience is that some ti clips are very good (although usually very stiff) like the ones from Moddoo, Prometheus or McGizmo. They’re also very pricey often costing nearly as much as this entire light is expected to cost. On the other hand I’ve also had some terrible ti clips before, ones with zero spring that just bend out of shape and stay that way. I don’t care what material my clip is made from on this light, I just want it to be functional and trustworthy. Please don’t try to shoehorn a cheap ti clip into this build to stay in budget only to wind up with a useless decoration. I’d much rather have a good steel clip than a bad ti one.

Good point emarkd!

The reason for the variance is because there are 50 grades of titanium and 150 grades of stainless steel. The more common commercial grades being sold are a lot fewer than that, but it’s still a lot of different grades.

It depends on the alloy that's used and also the technique used to work it. It has to be worked hot for sharp bends.

It's annealed so it's gonna feel more bendie compared to a piece of stainless of the same thickness. The minimum thickness should be 0.045" to get the correct stiffness (good retention).

Material spec should be Ti6Al4V grade 5. Grade 23 would be better

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Same goes for me! :+1:

I will not talk about the material of the clip, as I don’t have expertise for that.
I have a Manker E11 (I guess it is similar to the Utorch UT01), and they come with a very strong pocket clip, maybe titanium, idk.
I guess it was supposed to be deep pocket clip, but its design and the strength in the last 40% of the clip makes it difficult to put it in a jeans pocket.
This said, besides the material, I guess the design and “functionality” (meaning: a nice looking and well made clip that really accomplishes its functions of being…a pocket clip) have to be taken into account to make it a good clip for the awesome flashlight we’ll get.
Thanks to the folks that have been working on this :+1:

I used to have the problem with my E11 also. Assuming the light is inside the pocket and the clip outside… try pulling the pocket material outward and away from the body of the light as the clip is slid down all the way. It used to give me fits, now it’s easy. If you look at how the clip is built you’ll see why this works. Or to put it another way, why it’s such a PITA if it isn’t done. The material comes up against a hard stop.

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Eheh, I figured it out after a while using the Manker E11, the clip works really fine, and the light gets well stored in the pocket.
But my point is that I guess it is preferable to have a clip that is more simple to operate, without sacrificing the safety for us and for the light :wink:
But if the work has come that far to make the FW3A a reality, to make a clip for this light will be a piece of cake :smiley:
We put our trust in you Fritz and The Miller :+1:

The original GB BLF A6 had a Titanium clip and imo was/is a good design but they (still) mess it up by not working it correctly and not using a thick enough material. Then instead of modifying the process and material thickness to make it right they switched to a thicker super hard stainless and continue the same process of manufacture which still turns out a well designed crapily made clip with lower quality metal. (Titanized stainless A6 clip at banggood)

^ I already broke two of those clips at first time putting on.

Yeah I've broken a few also. At least with the original Titanium ones you could heat it up and re bend it.

I reshaped mine (titanium) as soon as I got it and I've been carrying it everyday for 2 years now and even though it's flimsy its still my favourite because of it's deep carry design.

Does anyone of you have experience with the clips Lumintop already includes with their lights? For example the ED11 or the EDC25

Since these clips look good and I assume the clip for the FW3A should be of similar quality.

No experience with them but judging by the pictures the quality and precision of the bends look top notch. I particularly like the SDmini and the EDC25.

Personally I never use clips on my lights, they just sit at the bottom of my pocket. So if I had the option, I’d rather not spend more on a clip Id never use

Genius! Why stop at deep carry when we can have DEEP carry?

It should be just like this:

So this design would be perfect for you, right? :smiley:

:smiley: :smiley: :+1:

It comes in two sizes: Knee and ankle carry