Well, I want to try my luck. So the best you can do is marking both packages as $14 and giving a single invoice for that $14 right? Although it is more risky than the method I have tried to describe, I think as long as $14 payment will be separate there will be no problem considering both packages will be handled by different officer.
However if tax will be demanded, I will let the package which is stuck go back. But the problem is that if one (of two) package passes and the other not because of tax, what will happen? (You know customs work random) And can you write how much is the paypal deduction (for non EU country) and maybe shipping cost (if you deduct it as well) ?
I am sorry I have taken your time. But better prepared before.
After paying the first $14 how much in advance we get to know before having pay the rest?
I mean there are those who are on a tight budget but really want this and if the bigger payment comes very fast to be done within only 5 days time frame to be paid some may not be able get enough money to their Paypal accounts to pay.
And many times it really is not possible to keep this amount ready in Paypal.
I know it is ready when it is ready which is completely fine but LT must have some timeline when planning this.
They did a good job with this, appears to me. And I have to say I’m interested again. While I normally like small things made well that work like a bigger example, in this case it’s made such that a big thing, made well, looks smaller and still works comparative to it’s size. The sheer size alone makes me want to feel it in hand!
So, if it’s not too much trouble, please add me to the interest list and I will see if I can find a way to pay for it.
I don’t know about Turkey(which I believe is very tricky), but generally speaking… A false customs declaration is potentially much worse than still being randomly taxed. It’s a criminal offense and (depending on country, more or less theoretically) could result in prosecution.
I’m a bit worried and disturbed by this whole discussion. Actually doing any of this is not exactly legal. A Chinese seller or MFG won’t face the consequences but a BLF user/LT customer might, and someone who looks like a EU business partner and co-conspirator very well might, severely. If I were involved in arranging this deal, situated in Europe and discussed this, I would feel at least a bit uneasy when this systematic customs fraud involving several countries eventually took place.
Not that I oppose avoiding unjust duties and taxes at all, I won’t comment on that one. No politics and stuff. :smiling_imp:
Well when it is shipped in two parcels, neither content is worth that much for not usable alone.
If taxes and administration fees are asked for I would pay them and I suggest others do the same for it should be clear what the total value of a GT is so there is no ground to fight being taxed in a truthful manner.
If one can’t or won’t want to pay the taxes and fees it is best to simply not order.
If one does not accept a parcel and wants to have it send again it seems fair shipping must be paid for it, and to avoid endless re-shipping at the cost of Lumintop the amount to be paid ought to be at least the actual cost of original shipping and re-shipping, a wild guess would be $50 minimum.
The GT is not mandatory
Even with taxes the price is nice and lower then the aftermarket price and taxes.
Nobody is forced to buy a GT, if one does it is as with all the $20+ things in the EU for example, one can get lucky or not.
If paying duties is unacceptable for somebody just don’t order something over $20 and leave it
I am one of the ones who also can’t import the light without import tax but i totally agree with The miller and Keisari.
If you can’t afford to pay/don’t want to pay import tax don’t try stupid things, where i live and i guess every other country trying to import item with false invoice is illegal and might end up with hefty fine and seized item and for me the risk is not worth at all.
With that said i accepted my faith and will not try to do any stupid stuff while trying to import the light, i still haven’t decided on shipping method and will when The Miller gives me some additional info i wanted via PM.
Yes but all this talk about several false invoices to avoid paying taxes is on or over the edge, IF we would have gone forward and ask from Lumintop to facilitate these kind of things it very well could mean big troubles for me.
Yes I think so too, LT wanted a down payment so paying in two was good, keeping the first payment under the tax threshold is OK but also as far as I will take it.
If one gets taxed it is according to local laws and should be paid, simple as that.
If one does not want to pay taxes on the GT, just don’t order and ask to be removed from the list
Lumintops responsibility with the customs/duties/taxes on the light ends when it ships.
You have a choice of DHL in a single shipment or 2 smaller shipments and they will not include an invoice in the package is the way I understand it. They will label the 2 package shipping arrangement as $14 each on the customs.
Everything else is up to you, if the package is taxed and you refuse it, that is your fault and the shipping cost will not be refunded nor will another light be shipped. It is not even remotely fair to make LT eat peoples mistakes and inability to pay taxes. For example, if I was going to be changed taxes and I could not afford them, I would not order it.
I also 100% agree that any talk beyond this is unpleasant, which is why I have not participated till now.
- You buy the light, you are responsible for figuring out if there will be taxes, customs of duty charges for your selected shipping method.
- You are responsible for paying any and all fees, taxes or otherwise. Add those into the cost of the light before deciding if it is worth it for you, there are plenty of people to take your place if not.
- If you refuse a package you will not be refunded the shipping or paypal costs as that would cause a massive loss to lumintop and could easily end them ever wanting to work with us ever again.
- If you refuse half a shipment, you will only be refunded part of the total cost depending on which part is returned to lumintop
- Any refunds will not be sent until Lumintop received the refused package back to verify that it was indeed refused, anything else would be unfair to LT, you don’t expect them to send you the light without payment, they can not be expected to do that.
