Project Excalibur - Next Generation LED Thrower (many pics) - UPDATE 2018-01-24

Excellent work! :student:

Congratulations! I had not seen it, thanks for sharing :slight_smile:

Thanks!

Hi Gaston,

Where is your wavien build? The Driver is making a list of furthest throwing lights in a world and your is also probably in top 20.

Hi luminarium iaculator,

Is an old thread! here it is:

It would be good to do a ranking :slight_smile:

OMG the Detail and work for this project. O…M…G…

And I can only think of one name for it.

UBERThrower

I have added it to my “ranking” here. :+1:

So, who is going to put a Black Flat into his BLF GT to try to beat this light?

sma tested the Osram Q8WP here (a source in China has surfaced) and unfortunately two of his only reached 190-206cd/mm^2 (same as the old XP-G2 R5/S2). It seems they are of the lowest possible Bin and thus very inefficient.

There is a different Osram LED though which has a higher luminance than the Osram Black Flat, the Osram Synios P2720 DMLN31.SG. This test showed that it can produce up to 297.8cd/mm^2, which is 20% more than the Black Flat. It's downside is that it only produces 200 lumens and the small Die creates a tiny spot (0.225mm^2). I think it's too small and dim for this light though. The Black Flat itself is rather dim...

Where did he get the Q8WP from??
All the distributors show 0 stock…

Be more creative ;).
https://www.yoycart.com/Product/547738518217/
Yoycart is a Taobao agent who has an English website showing which products he offers. This makes it much easier compared to buying on Taobao directly (only Chinese).

Huh, interesting.
How do we know that it’s not an old Q9WP being sold as Q8WP?
If no reputable distributor like mouser or digikey have it, why would this site have it?
https://octopart.com/search?q=UW+Q8WP

EDIT- I just found it available here actually, must have recently become available :slight_smile:

Impressive, don’t know how I missed this thread until now.

That’s easy to tell: the newer Q8WP has four bond wires, the older Q9WP only has one.

The big distributors don’t have it because nobody orderered a reel from them yet. That’s what the first buyer has to do.

Thanks for the heads-up concerning RS. :wink:

Yeah, RS has the NAPA bin in stock, also the lowest, but what’s interesting is that there is a “V2” version which is rated for 6000mA rather than the default 1400mA, even though it shows the same lumen values.

Maybe they just used the default lumen value from the datasheet but the LED can handle higher currents?
If they get some in stock I might buy one of each and compare them, but they will arrive in de cember so maybe by then we can find NBPB or higher bins.

They don’t mention “V2” in the datasheet. RS has a new version of the datasheet for the V2 though, datasheet version 1.1.
There are a few differences. They removed the lowest Bin “NA” and added a new top bin “PB”. The maximum constant current ist still 5A (6A is for pulsed operation). There is also an example product code, where they used to list NA and now list the NB Bin. So I would guess that these new ones will be in NB Bin.

The problem here is that this isn’t enough. You will need at least the PA Bin to get any real benefit with this LED.

Generally it’s very obvious that RS doesn’t do a good job of putting the real specifications into their database. The first Q8WP LEDs are specified as “through hole” components. :person_facepalming:

NAPA means it will be either NA, NB, or PA.
No idea which bin you’ll end up getting when you purchase, since they just list the range of possible bins.

The only way to be certain you’re getting a high bin is to wait a loooong time until some places start selling PAPB or PBPB.

I know. I’m trying to say that you shouldn’t get your hopes up. Especially PBPB will probably never happen. I have never seen this with any of their LEDs.

Yeah, I know :frowning:
I still plan to buy several of the Q8WPs when they become available to test them myself.
Probably get one or two from each of the product listings.

Do you know of any other potentially high intensity LEDs? the Lumileds one that djozz tested recently had really good thermal properties and efficiency, maybe something from that brand looks promising?

Yes, the Osram Synios I linked to above. It beats the Black Flat. Other than that - no.

Interesting talk guys…

I am also waiting something like this

to beat old XP-G2 and I hope it will have slightly higher Vf so I can run it on fet driver 1x18650 lights :slight_smile:

Beamshots are always a nice thing. I had a few more.

This is what it looks like when you are holding the light and walking around in the woods, although the pic is a bit overexposed: