Lumileds Luxeon V, test of a 4000K 70CRI emitter

:+1: :+1: :+1: Djozz.

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They are more efficient, so they produce less heat, and more light.

(edit) I mean, what do you mean? :slight_smile:

Electric power is measured in Watt’s = Joules/sec. And it is the product of voltage and amperage. Ergo: W = V * A
On paper you can double the amperage and halve the voltage, the power is the same, and so is the heat production.
One thing about (a very) low voltage and (a very) high amperage is the leads at some point can become a limiting factor.
But with LED’s we’re talking percentage, not doubling.

Would like to see it directly driven in some 10180 light. With Vf curve so low it could produce nice output.
And, dedomed, in Emisar D1 with 18350.

I do think to notice a diverence between higher voltage/ lower amps and lower voltage/higher amps at the same watts.

This is also the reason why electricitylines for electricity transportation are all very high voltage and low amps. This is to limit lossses (heat).

Yeah, that’s true, Geuzzz.
But those power lines are kilometres long and can’t be too thick because of weight and cost.
I.i.r.c. they’re not even copper, but aluminium. (Aluminium has the best weight to conductivity ratio).
In a flashlight we can use a couple of centimetre of copper AWG18 if we want to, and bypass the springs, making losses negligible.

But, the lower the Vf, the more voltage drop over a linear driver.
With a fully charged battery this can be up to 1 Volt.
So when you have a 12 Amperes regulated linear driver, it will have to dissipate up to 12 Watts in heat with a fully charged low sag (high drain) battery.

Yes, these low voltage leds loose a lot of their efficiency in our use in flashlights because the difference between led voltage and battery voltage is higher, while the two most used types of drivers, lineair and direct drive (both are simple and compact), are pretty bad handling that: the lineair driver just burns off the voltage difference and the direct driver results in a very high current region in which the led is least efficient. Small batteries are limited in current so in direct drive the led is still in a quite efficient region, but then the battery works against efficiency: at their highest current the capacity of the battery decreases.

Perhaps the voltage of the Luxeon V is so low that the difference between battery and led voltage is high enough to use a buck driver? (I have no idea, not into driver electronics). Say you want 3A (a bit over 1000lm OTF), the led voltage is then 3.2V, the battery voltage under 3A load is for most of the drainage over 3.6V. Hmm, 0.4V difference is probably not enough. For 1A/450lmOTF it may work.

Jerommel is right. The losses in thick lines at low voltage is the same as in thin lines at high voltage. That’s why the E-backbone of Netherland is running on 380 kV. To “save” on the cost of lines, which are of aluminum with a steel core. And the cost of electricity pylons, which have to carry less weight. Insulators are more expensive at ultra-high voltage.

I might remember it wrong but I thought I have red that 0.4 volt difference will be enough for some buck regulator’s.
Could also have been for a different type driver…

Thanks for the test!

A buck driver is always possible, but doesn’t always make sense. Most stock single-cell lights with 3V LED (XM-L2 for exmaple) have a buck driver. A lower VF means that the output stays constant for higher percentage of the runtime and the average current pulled from the battery is lower. So the lower the Vf, the more sense a buck driver makes.

Definitely interested in this as a Q8 mod candidate. Thanks a lot for all of the information djozz! :smiley:

You could maintain efficiency with a boost driver running these in series correct? I’ve been getting too many ideas lately, not good for the wallet.

why use this led in 1000 lumen light, i mean, if you want 1000 lumen, go with xpl-hi,hd, xm-l2, or even xp-g3, and it’s also easier to reflow the led on MCPCB
if i use this led, i will push it over 1800, close to 2000 lumen(or even higher)

It’s more efficient and produces a beam with a more even tint. Those are big benefits.

LEDs are more efficient when they are driven softly (look at the slope of the graph in the OP). So to acheive 1000Lm, a “2000Lm” LED driven at 50% will be more efficient than a 1000Lm LED driven at 100%.

Djozz, ylu know this was bound to come…please do the Q8 with these?
For me newbie it is kind of mixed.
On the one hand lots of lumens, on the other driver burning off volts. (And end Ferry Mingele mode :wink: )
If these are a good Q8 candidate, we really should have the XML pad ledboard redesigned to have pads for this as well.
XML and XHP70 would not fit, but these small pads would.

Hmm, ok, I will mod a Q8 with these, but I may wait for the new ones to do that. But mind that the stock light puts out 5000 lumen at 20A, and with Luxeon Z’s it is 8000 lumen at 36A, it will get kind of way too hot.

Thanks for the test djozz. Need to get you some samples of XP-L2. I’d donate to the cause. Impressive that the 4000k Luxeon V has almost identical output to a 6500k SST-40, and at a lower voltage to boot. Tint looks wonderful too! Can’t wait for some high CRI and more color temps.

How much does a custom run of DTP copper boards usually cost?

…and :+1: :+1: :+1: Lumileds of course.

Very interesting LED.
Maybe start a ‘groupbuy feeler’ thread.

But Djozz, how off is the size for an XM board?
Looks as if it could fit just as good bad as on an XP board…

The Luxeon V will not fit XM-boards at all.

I just posted over on RMMs thread to see if he has any plans to stock the Luxeon V and perhaps even get some custom DTP boards made up for it. He has his MTN Quad boards which are top notch, so if he did a Luxeon V board I would be in for quite a few. A triple or quad Luxeon V board would be really interesting as well.