[REVIEW] MiBoxer C4-12 (NiMH/NiCd/Li-ion Smart Battery Charger)

[ssschen]

Many thanks for the full photo of the AC Adaptor. Good to know that it accepts 100-240V inputs

Would you guys say that this is a good 2nd charger to the Liitokala 500? I came very close to ordering the Zanflare C4 last week when it was a flashdeal special on GB for only US$22.xx shipped.

[SoCalTiger]

If you already have an analyzing charger like the Lii-500, this makes a good 2nd. I have both the Zanflare C4 and this. If you are stuck between them, my main points of comparison are this:

Function:

• Zanflare has full capacity test function
• Both have resistance function
• MiBoxer can charge faster and will automatically select charge current (may be a negative if you prefer charging slower by default)
• Both have dedicated power adapters included
• Zanflare can use all 4 cells for the powerbank function (MiBoxer only C4)

Ergonomics:

• MiBoxer is wider and deeper. It’s much easier to get cells in and out, also less likely to knock cells out accidentally
• Neither have inset notches on the positive terminals that help hold cells down (Xtar does this and it’s very helpful to prevent knocking a cell out)

Appearance:

• MiBoxer is “right-side-up” (Zanflare is “upside down”)
• Overall construction quality and appearance is similar

Display:

• MiBoxer has better display overall IMO and I like that I can view a lot of information for a single cell at once
• Zanflare allows you to view info on all 4 slots at once but you have to click on the display for each slot to rotate
• MiBoxer shows temperature
• MiBoxer automatically rotates through stats

[ssschen]

@SoCalTiger

If you already have an analyzing charger like the Lii-500, this makes a good 2nd. I have both the Zanflare C4 and this. If you are stuck between them, my main points of comparison are this:

Function:

• Zanflare has full capacity test function
• Both have resistance function
• MiBoxer can charge faster and will automatically select charge current (may be a negative if you prefer charging slower by default)
• Both have dedicated power adapters included
• Zanflare can use all 4 cells for the powerbank function (MiBoxer only C4)

Ergonomics:

• MiBoxer is wider and deeper. It’s much easier to get cells in and out, also less likely to knock cells out accidentally
• Neither have inset notches on the positive terminals that help hold cells down (Xtar does this and it’s very helpful to prevent knocking a cell out)

Appearance:

• MiBoxer is “right-side-up” (Zanflare is “upside down”)
• Overall construction quality and appearance is similar

Display:

• MiBoxer has better display overall IMO and I like that I can view a lot of information for a single cell at once
• Zanflare allows you to view info on all 4 slots at once but you have to click on the display for each slot to rotate
• MiBoxer shows temperature
• MiBoxer automatically rotates through stats

Thanks very much for the detailed breakdowns of the differences between the two chargers. :+1:

I see from your signature you have done reviews of both chargers too, so will check out your reviews later. At this stage, I am leaning towards the MiBoxer C4-12 mainly because of its ability to fast charge at 3A over all 4 slots. Will have to keep an eye out over the next week or so. Hopefully GB will do a good deal on it during the 11.11 shopping festival. Not sure why BG is not carrying it?

[Pete7874]

@ssschen

At this stage, I am leaning towards the MiBoxer C4-12 mainly because of its ability to fast charge at 3A over all 4 slots.

You may want to read my review regarding this part specifically.

[ssschen]

@Pete7874

@ssschen

At this stage, I am leaning towards the MiBoxer C4-12 mainly because of its ability to fast charge at 3A over all 4 slots.

You may want to read my review regarding this part specifically.

Thanks for that. Just read it. A bit concern about the sporadic reboots. And that it won’t revert back to the last saved charging current (3A), so you could end up with 3A of charging for a small time only. You didn’t mention this on the 2A charging, so sounds like 2A charging is more reliable? I haven’t read the Zanflare review yet but my guess is its max charging current is probably the same as the Liitokala 500, ie. 1A?

_Charging Li-Ion at 4×3A
Here is a graph of charging current when charging a Samsung INR18650-30Q button top using a manually selected 3A rate. All four channels were being charged at 3A while data was being logged on Channel 1. As can be seen, my unit is not capable of sustaining 4×3A charge throughout the whole cycle. It will reboot after some time and will restart using lower charging rates. Once finished, when removed from the charger, cell voltage was 4.18V._

[Pete7874]

@ssschen

You didn’t mention this on the 2A charging, so sounds like 2A charging is more reliable?

Yes, 4x2A charging posed no issues for me. Possibly even 4x2.5A may have been OK - I have not tested that yet.

In all honesty though, I don’t see myself needing to use 4x3A much if at all. I don’t own any cells larger than 18650. A typical high drain 18650 has about 3000 mAh capacity. It’s not going to be that much quicker to charge it using 3A vs 2A or 2.5A. Now, if you own large 26650 cells with 5000+ mAh capacity, that difference in charging speed will become more noticeable.

I haven’t read the Zanflare review yet but my guess is its max charging current is probably the same as the Liitokala 500, ie. 1A?

Correct.

[myst999]

I recently purchased this charger and haven’t had any re-booting problems when charging at 3A. It looks like they may have fixed the re-booting issue as you mentioned in your review:

“However, what I have is a first version of this charger and Miboxer told me they tweaked it since and that in the newest version, the charger will better control temperature and will not reboot.”

[Pete7874]

@myst999

I recently purchased this charger and haven’t had any re-booting problems when charging at 3A. It looks like they may have fixed the re-booting issue as you mentioned in your review:

Yup, but if yours is an updated version, then you should see current rate dropping below 3A in order to prevent temperatures from climbing.

Also, just to be clear, in my case the re-booting did not happen when charging only 1 or 2 cells at 3A. It happened when charging all 4 cells at 3A.

Also, the rebooting is fairly quick, so unless you are watching the charger throughout the entire cycle, you might miss it.

[myst999]

@Pete7874

@myst999

I recently purchased this charger and haven’t had any re-booting problems when charging at 3A. It looks like they may have fixed the re-booting issue as you mentioned in your review:

Yup, but if yours is an updated version, then you should see current rate dropping below 3A in order to prevent temperatures from climbing.

Also, just to be clear, in my case the re-booting did not happen when charging only 1 or 2 cells at 3A. It happened when charging all 4 cells at 3A.

Also, the rebooting is fairly quick, so unless you are watching the charger throughout the entire cycle, you might miss it.

Also, based upon battery level and resistance , the current rate will drop even if you set it at 3A - so those are additional things that will lower the charge rate. The next time I have 4 batteries pretty well depleted I will keep an eye on the current rate to see how it behaves.

[Pete7874]

@myst999

Also, based upon battery level and resistance , the current rate will drop even if you set it at 3A - so those are additional things that will lower the charge rate. The next time I have 4 batteries pretty well depleted I will keep an eye on the current rate to see how it behaves.

Yes, try with 4 depleted high current drain unprotected cells, such as Samsung 30Q.

You don’t want to be pushing 3A of current into low current / high IR cells to begin with.

[Lexel]

My review Charger did not reboot with 4x3A charge

[Pete7874]

@Lexel

My review Charger did not reboot with 4x3A charge

Good to hear. What was the highest temp you observed during 4x3A charging? Starting with fully depleted cells, how long were all the cells at 3A before current started ramping down?

[Lexel]

@Pete7874

@Lexel

My review Charger did not reboot with 4x3A charge

Good to hear. What was the highest temp you observed during 4x3A charging? Starting with fully depleted cells, how long were all the cells at 3A before current started ramping down?

I switched to 3A after 15 minutes
the other charger is 1A all the way

c4 12

[Pete7874]

@Lexel

@Pete7874

@Lexel

My review Charger did not reboot with 4x3A charge

Good to hear. What was the highest temp you observed during 4x3A charging? Starting with fully depleted cells, how long were all the cells at 3A before current started ramping down?

I switched to 3A after 15 minutes
the other charger is 1A all the way

Because of the rapidly cycling current/voltage/IR display in your video, I can’t tell when it started ramping down. I also can’t see what the other 3 channels are doing… what level of charge they’re at.

But your temps are much lower than mine. Mine reached 53C, and that’s when the reboot happens.

[Lexel]

@Pete7874

@Lexel

@Pete7874

@Lexel

My review Charger did not reboot with 4x3A charge

Good to hear. What was the highest temp you observed during 4x3A charging? Starting with fully depleted cells, how long were all the cells at 3A before current started ramping down?

I switched to 3A after 15 minutes
the other charger is 1A all the way

Because of the rapidly cycling current/voltage/IR display in your video, I can’t tell when it started ramping down. I also can’t see what the other 3 channels are doing… what level of charge they’re at.

But your temps are much lower than mine. Mine reached 53C, and that’s when the reboot happens.

I looked at the pictures
to 4208 is last with 3A
start picture 4101 with 30 seconds pause
so at 4116 12,5min I switched to 3A manual
54minutes till current ramp down

charge for a 3000mAh high drain cells took 86 minutes

[mikelights]

Very helpful review thanks!

[ZoomieFan]

I like the wide range of charging options. You can charge as slow as 0.1A (100mA) all the way up to 3A. This provides tremendous flexibility. For 18650s, I normally charge them at 1A. For smaller cells like 14500s, you’ll want to use a smaller current, more like 300mA. Charging multiple cells at 3A would get pretty warm, though.

Is there an “advised amps” list for cells? Is it a percentage of the peak discharge or just a fixed number for a certain cell size?
I even saw a charger that does 4A.
So before I start cooking my cells I would like some advise on 18650, 20700, 21700, 26650, 32650

Not on the list, do you think 32650 fits?

[tatasal]

@ZoomieFan

I like the wide range of charging options. You can charge as slow as 0.1A (100mA) all the way up to 3A. This provides tremendous flexibility. For 18650s, I normally charge them at 1A. For smaller cells like 14500s, you’ll want to use a smaller current, more like 300mA. Charging multiple cells at 3A would get pretty warm, though.

Is there an “advised amps” list for cells? Is it a percentage of the peak discharge or just a fixed number for a certain cell size?
I even saw a charger that does 4A.
So before I start cooking my cells I would like some advise on 18650, 20700, 21700, 26650, 32650

Not on the list, do you think 32650 fits?

Recommend charge rates are from .5C to 1C. They say for longer cell life, .8C or below is recommended.

1C mean 1 times the capacity (of the cell). The Samsung INR18650-30Q for example, is a 3000mah cell, so 1C = 3amps… while .8C is 2.4amps (or below)

[ZoomieFan]

That’s very clear. Thanks!

[tatasal]

[quote=ZoomieFan]

Not on the list, do you think 32650 fits?

Yes, but only two 32650s at a time, and not side-by-side.