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DB Custom wrote:
just trying to find the most needy, those that the greater organizations haven’t helped.

+1000 please do.

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I guess I’m saying do something. I hate stagnation in the face of need. We went through a couple earthquakes and a more recent flood. Our needs were immediate. Insurance or Fema came later. We needed water/food/batteries/medicines…money doesn’t immediately supply those.
Anyway, people will survive. And I hope we can help some to come through easier.

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I hear ya chinooker, I hear ya.

I have been looking at closing this, there are lights nobody seems interested in and the spirit of helping seems to have dwindled in the face of other catastrophe’s around the globe. So I want to put an end to it and go forward with the contribution. Because yes, need is now, in so many ways.

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I’m still trying to find a local church or something that is helping but haven’t found anything yet. I guess now that the immediate crisis is over no one is thinking about the long road of recovery ahead.

The more you care about something the deeper the fight will come from within. 

You do not fight out of hate, but rather out of the love and compassion you have for those you are trying to protect.

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That’s exactly why I wasn’t worried about it taking some time, those that aren’t actually involved can’t realize just how long a road it is to get back up and running after something like that. Especially the Rockport area that got annihilated by the eye of the storm, gonna be a long time before any kind of normalcy occurs.

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well, I am disenchanted with this project
I don’t want anything
butt will consider hard my participation in any other efforts to help
I’ll look around

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Neal informed me that he is putting together a spreadsheet to give to Lumintop so they can all be shipped at once. I get the feeling the Chinese Holiday has had something to do with all this and they are now back to normal. So everybody’s light/lights should be shipping out soon.

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I am not sure you understand my displeasure
I wanted to help someone
someone

get the help out to someone
not my damn lights

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I do understand, and help it will. Those big guys come in and take names and information, cut checks, the process begins… who’s there 6 weeks down the road? 8? Everybody forgets about em and moves on. I am about to get at least half of it to a Church I know of that is moving food and diapers and clothing by the truckload on a daily basis. Still. It’s getting harder and harder for the Church to keep supplies, people are slacking off. Gotta be somebody to have their back. Right?

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And for the record, I’ve already equipped a help team from here locally with lights and cells and chargers and water to go in and assist with the cleanup. It’s an everyday thing. Taken one day at a time. You have no idea the mess down there, every house dumping massive piles of water soaked sheetrock and insulation and couches and TV’s and refrigerators and washer/dryers and beds and antique furniture that’s been in the family for ages. Piles of rubbish as big as the destroyed houses, up one side and down the other on street after street after street. There’s a LOT of need for a very long time in all this. It’s not a rush in and help and wash your hands and go back to business kind of venture. 10’s of thousands, 100’s of thousands of lives have been turned upside down. You really think $1200 is gonna save an area 200 miles long and 100 miles deep?

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Dale, thanks for doing this.

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I’ve been intimately involved in emergency situations (2 earthquakes, and 1 flood)
That is why I offered help
Do not tell me I don’t have any idea of the mess these ppl are suffering
I went through it in Sylmar and Northridge quakes and we had to move out while our home was rebuilt
We recently 2011 had a flood and we had to get out again as our home was again rebuilt.

So don’t even tell me that I don’t feel for those people that are displaced

I can’t say more or I’d be ruded

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just do something
with my money

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Sorry, didn’t mean that to be directed at you specifically, since this is an open forum with people from all over the world I speak in general terms.

And I will.

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DB Custom wrote:
Neal informed me that he is putting together a spreadsheet to give to Lumintop so they can all be shipped at once. I get the feeling the Chinese Holiday has had something to do with all this and they are now back to normal. So everybody’s light/lights should be shipping out soon.
Thumbs Up Awesome.
I don’t mind the wait, but the vagueness was quite annoying.

As for the money, i’m sure it will end up where it’s needed.

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so…
Any word yet on this?

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Tomorrow makes 2 weeks since the comment about Neal getting the info to lumintop. Here’s to hoping it’s less than 2 more weeks to go.

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This doesn’t bode well for future efforts to help people from here.
It isn’t easy, I know, butt communication is essential.

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I am considering rescinding my Paypal payments for the Lumintop lights, and applying them to some other method of relief for the afflicted ppl in the area.
My donated light was paid for and I have sent it already.

I’m not trying to blame anyone, or worrying about the lights, I have lots of lights
I just want to get some help out to where it can do some good
That’s why I participated, and it seems stalled and nothing is getting to the needy

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And therein lies the rub… if I pull the money out of the bank account, the bank account I created just for this purpose, and people like you get upset about the delivery of the light and rescind their payment, what happens to me with my depleted bank account? This is exactly why the money is still there.

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Kind of sucks trying to do something nice, and be the middle man, and other people do not follow through with their word… blame goes to you even though you have done nothing but trying to be helpful.

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Yeah, and the longer this goes on the more likely it is I’m going to have to pay taxes on these “profits” I have in the bank. Facepalm

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Well, i have lost my patience.
Just ordered a HLAAA from Banggood.
You can send my money to a Harvey relief fund of your choice.

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Let us know how it is, and what we can expect.

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So, just so y’all know, Chinooker is escalating a PayPal dispute to get his money back because he hasn’t received his lights. And THIS is why there’s a cool thousand dollars still waiting to help the victims of Hurricane Harvey. People like this guy, that want their money back in a donation thread. The same guy that pushed so hard wanting HIS money to help someone. Sad, is it not?

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If lights ever show up that is good. However the money should go to the needy even if we do not ever receive the flashlight(s).

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not even half the truth.

just let me get my money back and put it to a better, more relative use,

I was an early responder for a donated light, and paid extra in order for the paid donor to receive it early.
Hardly an action of a troublemaker, I would hope.

I, at this point, just want to get the donated money to where it is needed.
I don’t expect any lights that were promised and just want my money to be applied to the purpose you said.

This is the message I sent to Paypal after 2 1/2 months of sitting idle on my funds…
“Recipient has not provided goods, nor used funds to help people affected by hurricane Harvey. I wish to receive a refund and then re-direct them to The Salvation Army.”

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How do you know what the truth is? Or even half of it? You paid $65. You are fretting over $65 getting to the 100’s of thousands of people that need help. I already put $250 to work , sending a 4 man team from my wife’s church equipped with flashlights, cells, chargers, fuel money and they had a lot of supplies on their own… they spent a long weekend, 4 days, pulling up wet molded carpet, knocking sheetrock off walls that were wet and muddy, to get at wet muddy molding insulation and drag it out to the street for pick-up along with ruined appliances, furniture, clothes, and all the mess they found. They dealt with really great people, in a world of hurt. They came back feeling pride, and broken, saddened deeply by the sheer extent of damages they saw. Yet prideful in how people were coming together in a time of need.

I set up the Relief Fund to accept donations to help people, same for the gmail account associated with it. When the incoming purchases stopped, I didn’t go into the email account, simple as that. Nothing going in, nothing to forward, which is what I was using the mail account for, to gather the addresses and names and forward them to Neal for shipping the lights out. So yeah, your dispute went unanswered because I didn’t know about it. I don’t know a lot about a lot of things, including how to run something like this relief campaign.

Recipient was not selling goods. A PayPal dispute over non-received merchandise, when it was a donation to begin with?

I wish Lumintop would have sent me a box of lights to send to people in the affected area, along with monies on BLF’s behalf. That would have been so much easier than how it all played out. I won’t be doing anything like this again, that much is for certain! I saw a bunch of folks looking to pounce on a good discount on new lights. To a large percentage, it was about getting a good light at a good deal, not about helping people. It felt wrong. The lights were an incentive to help, gobbling up two or 3 or 4 of these lights wasn’t supposed to be the plan, that took incentives away from someone else, sorry, the good new lights are gone, no need to put money into the relief campaign anymore. Nothing to see, move along…

Let me tell you “the half of it”… Neal and SB were hoping a larger percentage of the 22,000 BLF members would participate, and even bring others into the action. They were hoping it could escalate into possibly millions of dollars to help a vast number of people that found themselves victims of this storm. I was, truthfully, intimidated at what could happen here. We, all 22,000+ of us, managed to raise $1,250. What could we have done if every member here would have simply donated the price of a cup of coffee? We use this site, free of charge, every day. Right? And yet, when I give the church in Portland $1000 and say it’s on behalf of the members of Budget Light Forum, what it boils down to is that we gave a whopping $0.06 each to aid the thousands that lost their homes, cars, clothes, virtually everything.

I AM still proud though, to be able to help at all, and to be part of the good intentions of an ever growing family of flashlight enthusiasts. A lot of good people stepped forward, and I for one appreciate it. I’m sure the good people down in South Texas will also appreciate the effort. Indeed I already know that they are humbled by the unbelievable number of people that have stepped forward to help.

Thank you BLF, not sure what I’d have done without you this past 5 years…

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chinooker wrote:
… “I wish to receive a refund…”

you are violating the spirit of a donation and causing trouble.
let it go
stop defending your indefensible position

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I closed the bank account today, 10 days before it was scheduled to end, and sent a Cashier’s Check to the Oakridge Baptist Church in Portland Texas. They have been doing a lot of work with the people in Aransas county that suffered the direct hit of Hurricane Harvey. The members of the church are still helping with the demolition and rebuild of damaged houses from the hurricane itself, as well as flood damage. I called first and the lady I spoke with was obviously an older lady of the church and she was VERY appreciate of direct help to them at the church. I can see how so many people bring goods and the church members have to stock everything, then remove it to dispurse. So the good people of the church have been working their tails off trying to keep up with it all.

I wrote a letter to go with the check ($1000.95), explaining to some degree our forum and how we use our lights, but of course all credit goes to Budget Light Forum and our Admin, SB.

Thank you all for your support in this, I wish you could hear the gratitude in the lady’s voice that she expressed. It was pretty overwhelming and put tears in my eyes, made it difficult to speak….

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