[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

The tint change was discussed, we had planned for a 3D tint all along but they were sold out world wide in a high bin so we settled for the best thing we could get, which was 4000k. There were many pages on the subject. The fact it preforms better in the real world was a bonus.

It was not a decision so much as lack of options, this was the only viable option we had at the time. So the choice was wait a few months to start production or go with what we had. Not much of a choice to say the least.

While I love the 4000k personally, My favorite tint is 4500k and I like a good 3D as well.

I will say this LED has no hint of green in the beam, it looks like a small sun.

I think 5000k would be a good sweet spot personally, but my led will be swapped eventually to put out more lumens and less lux. And when I do it will be a 5000k emitter (no clue what emitter yet though)

Thank you OH thank you…!!

I was just starting to sniff the first whiffs of a mob-mentality against me … and people speaking to me like:

a) I wasn’t reading any responses
b) I had no experience in flashlights whatsoever
c) I was just some negative brainless sh$t out to cause trouble…!

Yep, Enderman is correct…. he is answering JasonWW’s question from Post 14441. He has asked several times because he did not see his name on the list that HAS NOT been updated. This was the answer to Jason’s question from the linked post below………

I’m planning to put only four cells in my GT.

Is there any benefit to load all height slots apart from runtime? Like would it be brighter?
My understanding is it would not make any difference due to the rather low pull on the cells.

Hey Tex… thanks for the explanation - really do appreciate the time to explain…
I know people shouldn’t ‘mess with Texas’… but no need to assume a parent child relationship with condescending expressions like “…you have had a half dozen people explain this to you …” like I’m not getting it or something… Tex… let me let you into a little secret… I get it…!!

I’m pointing out ‘perception’ rather than lumens… read back to Enderman’s post… all shall be revealed… :wink:

Well then, I guess a bunch of people are gonna be disappointed.
Hopefully the majority do understand that it will be brighter on target so they are still satisfied with their light, especially since most people are flashlight enthusiasts.

I would like to mention that tint and colour temperature are NOT the same.

I assumed you were just discussing the tints without changing the colour temperature.

Personally I think 6500k looks white, anything like 5700k and below is too yellow.
7000-8000k is pure white which is why short arc bulbs in moving heads use those colour temperatures.
It also gives a much more visible beam.

By all means. My opinion on this is very well informed and can withstand some criticism.

Many BLF members would disagree. It’s mostly numbers that make purchases, sadly. That’s why an extreme floodlight after another has more and more maximum momentary lumens without much actual added real life performance. That’s why throw performance is advertised using the unrealistic and optimistic ANSI scale, and that’s why stated runtimes may not always match with experience in practical use.

BLF projects are not typical commercial products. They don’t have the perceptions or numbers that typically make purchases. They may not be totally practical, and with the GT, there sure isn’t a real need for most who bought it. They still somehow are compatible with the advanced hobbyists’ taste, a lot of the time. And they do have a very good real life performance if there is a practical need and application. Better than the numbers would suggest.

“Whiter” as in “bluer” is not at all everyone’s wish. In commercial products, cooler white gets too much preference just because of the numbers. In throwers the numbers lie because the actual measurement is done close up. In floodlights there at least is some actual benefit with cooler color temperature and whether to prefer warm white is more about preference and/or specific needs.

Cooler is definitely not helpful even going from 4000 to 5000 K when you have a thrower with a practical range in thousands of meters rather than hundreds.

The only time cooler is factually helpful is when we want the highest raw lumens possible, e.g. highest floodlight efficiency, or when we really want harsh light, as in trying to blind someone. Everything else is about preference, environment or other specific applications. In the case there is no lumens advantage or very little, cooler isn’t better.

Honestly? Oh, I saw this video earlier, and my reaction was positive. Color wise, this footage tells more about his camera and cameras in general than the lights. The warmer should not be that yellowish IRL and the cooler should not be very bluish. And comparable CT’s are not, when you have no reference point to another high power light. Both are somewhat neutral.

However, what we can observe is exactly the “stronger” beam of the inferior light, and this speaks for the new version. You don’t want to be losing photons to scattering, and you definitely don’t want to be blinded by a blue beam blocking your line of sight and reflecting back to you from every millimeter of atmosphere. This is not an 18650 EDC light, and there is a bunch of molecules to stare back at you between you and your target, say 1.5 kilometers away.

“”Well then, I guess a bunch of people are gonna be disappointed.“”

The above I think will be a bigger problem than what some will have expected… you should NEVER set people’s expectations to one thing and then it be something else when it arrives… even if certain numbers can ‘prove’ it’s performance is the same or even better… it’s the perception of the recipient based upon the expectations set which counts.

I watched the first Giga thrower YT vid… was amazed and wanted one… which made me order.

Looks like there’s more than a fair chance i’ll now be returning the light… HATE warm beams… they had those in the 1800’s with candles…!!!

Mob mentality? Relax. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with purchasing a high performance thrower just because it makes a nice beam in the atmosphere. Thing is, this is a flashlight enthusiasts’ forum and as ridiculous this might sound like, most likely the majority values actual throw performance more than large scale Star Wars wow factor. Not that the latter wouldn’t be nice.

Being overly critical just because this is not another blue light for mindless consumers - this is what might have triggered folks who actually know their light. Falsely interpreting a video to show things that are not there is another.

…and miss-quoting me doesn’t help either…!! I NOWHERE said that I was critical because this is not another ‘blue light’… in fact… if you read back you will see that I do mention that cheaper blue lights are no good at all…

Please be sure of what a person has and has not said prior to accusing them of being ‘overly critical’.

“”Falsely interpreting a video to show things that are not there is another””

Work on your facts buddy… watch the video and then find where I ‘falsely interpret’ anything…

If it comes down to it, you needn’t return the light. Many, many members of this forum will be happy to purchase it from you.

I was hoping that my first light will arrive before this group buy closes so I would have something to base my decision to buy second light but, that’s obviously not happening now.
Folks from US and 555-1000 batch are getting their second lights delivered by registered shipping before European guys from 0-555 batch and DHL shipping are even considered (not to mention guys from australia and other countries).
I bet that they would be more motivated to honor every customer equally if we payd half when applying for GB and second half when product is delivered :slight_smile:

Anyhow, standard chinese bussines… :weary:

BTW, I followed this thread almost every day, as much as I could (~250+ new comments each day, lengthy task to read all that), you know, I have a job to attend, every day, anyways I wasn’t aware that we switched to WW tint!

It is not a warm white, it is still NW, just 4000k vs the 5000k we had planned on. NW is from 4000k to 5700k. CW starts at 6000k and WW starts below 4000k.

The warm/warmish tint on throwers is a divisive topic for some. Photos and videos don’t do justice to warm tint (mostly because of digital sensors in cameras). I have the warmest tint Convoy C8 XP-L HI and it will cut through moisture in the air very well.

As far as perception goes, I don’t let the masses decide what I buy and don’t buy. If anything, when Lumintop starts selling this light on their own; they should offer options. Let the purchaser decide what they want.

This is a open groupbuy of a newly designed torch with a few prototypes. If you don’t know it was decided to be 4000k months ago due to availability of led, that’s is your own fault or laziness to follow the progress. If you don’t read thread as often, you can ask about the tint in the thread. BLF GT team work so hard to come out best stock thrower in history and deserved our respect and appreciation. Please stop whining about it as it is explained to you a few times. You can sell it if you don’t like it when you try it. I think it is fair if you don’t return it because it is not Lumintop fault that you don’t like the tint.

I know I read this quite a while ago but is everyone in the first 1500 getting one light before those that bought 2 get their second? And then everyone who bought two, gets their second before those that bought 3, get their third. And so on and so on?

Anyone else have their light arrive in just the “inner” box, no outer box?

If you don’t like the color of the LED, have a member change it out for you. I’m sure there are plenty of modders here who will do it.

Smells like troll in here tonight

Hi I’m curious what high powerd lights do you currently have in your stable?

No lights have been shipped by registered mail, yet. Only DHL.

I don’t understand why some feel slighted. Everyone is equal. There is a little preferential treatment in that the first 1000 get shipped first, but still, everyone is equal. We will all get our lights.

Some folks act like royalty because they signed up early and that people who sign up late are peasants. I just don’t understand that. We are are equal.

If Europe lights went out first, all the usa folks would complain. You can’t please everyone.

All businesses are about profit, not just Chinese.