Please tell him on behalf of the GT team that we accept his apology.
I kind of figured this might be the case (although admittedly I was still quite upset) and I always like to have both sides of a story before judging someone too harshly.
If you could have him PM me on here that would be great so I can see exactly how much damage was done. If he will stop sharing the link it is possible we can salvage this without having to completely start over, which would be great and save a lot of time.
I had figured something like this would happen at some point.
Everyone else, lay off him. I told you from the start to not go out on a witch hunt. I meant it!
Politely letting him know he made a mistake in a constructive way, that is fine. Cursing and abusing him IS NOT OK. EVER!! Even if he was doing this with malice intent.
So when I make a mistake, is this what I have to look forward to? Everyone going off their rockers? It is inevitable that I will make a mistake at some point.
I told ya’ll, we caught it early enough that while it would take a lot of extra time, no one would loose their light. There was no need for people to get personal about this.
This is why I won’t go near social media and had sworn off all online forums until I found BLF and the nice people here brought me back to the internet. Please don’t make me reconsider my choice.
gosh i wish i had seen this and got in on the group buy!!! i am really bummed now!!! guess i will have to wait around til the public sale sadly. still super excited about the light though.
This is being looked into for the next round, although not sure if it will be possible. More likely we will break it up into groups of ~100 people to minimize the impact of someone sharing it.
Yes I will relay that you guys have graciously accepted Thomas’ apology… thank you that is very kind. He can’t PM you because he lost his password a while back… that’s why he asked me to apologize for him. He IS NOT sharing the info any longer. I believe he only gave to a few people (I asked him for an exact number and am waiting for his reply. He’s elderly and may have gone to bed.).
I’m going to send you a PM now with a screen shot he showed me earlier. It’s shows how he asked for permission and it might shed light on his intentions.
Thanks wimmer212!!!
I can honestly see this happening as a mistake on his part.
I mean heck…. look at how many people screwed up a simple ordering process or how many times the same question has been asked & answered over & over & over…… simply because of the tendency to not read or keep up… just a little bit.
So yeah… I can certainly see this. No hard feelings from me.
It’s ok I understand and yeah that is amazing that there were 1500 available at the group but price. I’m really excited either way about it. If anyone cancels out or whatnot please let me know and I will join in if that’s possible, I’m new to all this.
It actually looks like an honest mistake. Although he should read DO NOT SHARE LINK a bit better. I’m guessing he has never gotten a coupon code from Madmax or Freeme. They always make it clear not to share special pricing codes.
Madmax has been burned pretty good in the past from people sharing codes they shouldn’t have, but that is a story for another day.
On the tint thing, I call 4000K Warm White because it simply is not neutral, it adds color to white, which is not neutrality. Shine it on a pure white piece of typing paper and the paper looks orange. Shine it on snow and , well, don’t they say never eat yellow snow? In science, the black body is a radiant subject, I have read that on Earth, fresh snow is considered to be a near perfect black body as it has nearly 100% radiance. Pure white. Clouds rate exceedingly high as well. Pure white. Neither blue nor yellow, green nor orange, Neutral, in othe words. No tint. In my beamshot of the OEM GT shining at the moon which is partially behind clouds, the spot of orange from the GT can be plainly seen on the clouds, thereby furthering my explanation that orange is not neutral.
As a photographer I see this as a very important issue, the ability to shine a white light on something without changing the hue of that item. That is very important to me. I cannot call an orange hue neutral for that reason.
Perhaps some people’s camera’s cannot distinguish the slight differences, but I paid top dollar for a top-of-the line best in class camera that indeed can distinguish the subtleties, as well as having a professional monitor and a colorimeter to keep it honest. I DO know the difference between white, and not white. It’s a $5000 wedding dress that is rendered correctly in an image. I know y’all are all very happy to get the GT at the price point, as am I, and I’m not trying to say there’s anything inherently wrong with the light, but considering I pay $500-600 for my flash units that shoot at 5700K to expose an image properly, the line is a fine one. The camera I used to shoot those beam shots just happens to be the best low light camera Canon makes, period. The lens I chose is also among the highest quality offered, so please don’t insult the photo’s by assuming a camera cannot detect the subtleties of hues, it’s really not plausible to get a better result at any price.
Thank you for this explanation Dale!
It is the only thing that makes sense to me concerning this color / tint thing.
If it adds color it can’t be neutral…. no matter what numbers say.
Works for me……
Since we cant really buy any big diameter mcpcb’s with leds already on them, here is some “old school” info on reflowing an emitter from Old Lumens.
And here is a newer style method from Matt (Vestureofblood/Adventure Sport Flashlights)
There are also many other videos on YouTube showing how to reflow emitters. So if you were wanting to swap to a different color xhp35-HI or to a xhp35-HD, this is how you do it.
I don’t think Lumintop will be offering any extra parts for at least a couple months. So once someone starts offering a complete package that just requires soldering 2 wires, I’m sure it will be posted.
DB Custom, i think we don’t have intention to change your definition of WW vs NW.
But you are in BLF GT thread, and right now we have a GT model that is using NW XHP35 HI.
When we perform test on a DUT, we label it correctly to avoid confusion.
Your post labeling GT with WW XHP35 HI as stock light might confuse people who jump into it without knowing you don’t really follow standard definition CREE and other manufacturer adopted for their LED.
No one has said NW is pure white. Being not pure white doesn’t mean we should call NW a WW. They are steps from cool to neutral to warm.
CW or WW are not pure white too.
Sure you have very advance DSLR there. In different lighting environment, it is not easy to get pure white from camera without a white balance card. Maybe Canon has improved so much that its auto white balance is very good nowadays.
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