Group Buy: Wuben TO10R and TO46R (real 90+CRI triple XP-G3) - CLOSED!!

I’m afraid that won’t be possible. :frowning:

There seems to be a sudden, woldwide shortage of 5000K 90CRI XPG3s. Wuben’s supplier said they can’t deliver. Five other suppliers said the same. Lead time “many weeks”.

I checked also Mouser, as they had plenty of these in stock just a short while ago. Now they show 0pcs, 9 weeks lead time.

I wonder what happened?

Damn. Ok I need to get my order refunded. How to we get this started?

Please wait a moment. We are still checking some possibilities.

I guess I can wait a week and see what happens.

Why didn’t Wuben warn us that they had difficulty acquiring stocks of the xp-g3 before taking our payments?

I find it hard to believe that thousands of stocks would disappear overnight. I’m not blaming anyone and =the= has been very transparent about everything, I am just wondering why Wuben hadn’t thought things through.

I do hope that everything’s going to work out just fine. I hate to have to ask for a refund.

I like nichia, so i agree with this change

I’m ok with the change as long as the CRI truly is minimum of 90 and tint is not green

I believe it’s highly unlikely to get the 219C appear much greener than the XP-G3 :slight_smile:

Sounds good to me, I’ve never owned any lights with the XP-G3. Thank you for letting me know

4000k looks great! The spot changes noticeable with nichia?

The suggested Nichia as evidenced in _the_'s example pic above is fine with me.

Here’s what happened so far:

  1. Wuben had reserved the emitters when the GB started. [That’s why they didn’t agree on trying Nichias even though I would have originally wanted to run this GB with Nichias]
  2. Their supplier provided samples of those emitters, Wuben made the sample lights, and me & maukka tested them.
  3. The supplier should have delivered the batch of emitters right after the Qing Ming Jie (Chinese holiday on April 5th - 6th).
  4. However, at the beginning of this week, Wuben noticed that they don’t yet have the emitters. Supplier told them they are backordered.
  5. Wuben tried to source the same emitters from multiple other suppliers, without success. :frowning: Everyone tells that they are backordered and will arrive in 8-10 weeks.
  6. I checked my usual supplier (Mouser) and they told me the same story.

I don’t have any idea why the supplier wasn’t able to deliver or why those emitters were suddenly out of stock everywhere.

Anyways, I can’t really blame Wuben on this and hope you don’t do that either.

Both me and Wuben are very sorry about the hassle. Please accept our sincere apologies!

We are now working hard to find an acceptable solution. At the moment Nichia 4000K looks like the best option, but we have not decided on that yet. Please stay tuned!

I too would like to stick with XP-G3 as I prefer the 5000k color temp. I will wait for additional updates. If those who prefer the XP-G3 are in the extreme extreme minority than maybe there’s enough XP-G3s for those who want them ? Obviously, this would create an additional burden for you tracking wise as everybody’s preference would need to be recorded. Just bouncing some ideas.

Recording the preference and trying to ship correct lights would probably end badly.

Seems that we can’t please everyone… BUT we can at least try to please most of you!

Would everyone on the lists please reply during the next 12h so that we can see which options are the most popular?

Current options (with my evaluations) are:
1 CREE 5000K

  • slightly more output

- slightly greenish tint

  • tint shift, green spill
    —- 10 weeks lead time => probably impossible(!!)

2 Nichia 4000K

  • good tint
  • no significant tint shift
  • in stock (need to double check this!)
  • slightly better CRI than with CREE

- slightly less output than with CREE

  • warmer than promised 5000K (not bad IMO)

3 CREE 4500K

  • easier to source than #1 (stock status will be checked tomorrow)
  • slightly more output

- might be greenish?

- tint shift as bad as in 5000K version?

  • slightly warmer than promised 5000K

4 Nichia 5000K

  • better tint
  • no significant tint shift
  • real 5000K
  • slightly better CRI than with CREE
  • slightly less output than with CREE
    +/- might be in stock (Wuben will check tomorrow)

5 Nichia 4500K

  • better tint
  • no significant tint shift
  • slightly better CRI than with CREE

- slightly less output than with CREE

  • slightly warmer than promised 5000K
    +/- might be in stock (Wuben will check tomorrow)

So, please tell me which of the options you:

  1. Love (= your personal preference(s))
  2. Can live with (= you would still order and be fairly happy)
  3. Dislike (= you would still order, but probably swap emitters as soon as you get the light)
  4. Hate (= cancel your order and get refund)

1 Nichia 4000K
2 Nichia 4500K
3 Nichia 5000K
4 CREE 5000K - not going to wait 10 weeks…

1 Nichia 5000K
4 Nichia 4000K
4 Nichia 4500K
4 CREE 5000K – not going to wait 10 weeks

How do we go about refunds if we do decide to pull out?

1. Nichia 4500K (It seems to me that this is the best solution. Not too warm, not too cold.)
2. Nichia 5000K
2. Nichia 4000K
3. CREE 4500K
3. CREE 5000K (but 10 weeks !?)

You can either

  1. Tell me something (PP name / email, transaction ID?) to identify your purchase, sit back and wait for refund.
    or
  2. I can tell you a special Wuben email and you can handle it directly with them.

Waiting to see what happens for now, a lot depends on how long the wait will be really.