Lightbringer yes you do have a problem with school shootings.
I live in an european country in which all guns are banned! I wish we could own guns, but not like in the US where any pissed off kid can get a weapon!
I may be a bit crazy, but as a weapon light, I would just take a Haikelite MT09R or an Emisar D4.
Why? For the MT09R, I could just shine it in their face and burn their retinas off.
For both of them, I would get close and shine them at their face as closely as possible, to burn them to a crisp.
Would not be exactly legal though :smiling_imp:
Amusing how US vs non-US logic works. One side thinks regulating weapons and other potentially harm-inflicting apparatus will get the country to turn into a purge-like situation with too much regulation. The other side thinks the exact same thing will happen with too little regulation. In the meanwhile, violence isn’t correlated with gun regulation at all. Maybe specific types of events, but not violence statistics in general. The only correlation that actually sticks is more education and better paying starter positions equals less social risk situation and that equals less violence
OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too.
I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country - as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem - so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns.
I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can - but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen.
As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time they will run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods - now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family, probably someone will end up dead. (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it.
There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently - I’ll happily have it that way please.
Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.
You have the ‘right’ to run away. We have the right to defend ourselves. It all makes sense now. Thanks for sharing! 
WOW talk about missing the point entirely……… we don’t need to run away, nor (for the most part) defend ourselves that is the point. I won’t say any more, mock all you want.
You just wrote:
What point did I miss?
We don’t (for the most part) have to defend ourselves either. But if we need to, we can.
Sadly the UK seems to be going down hill. Muslim rape gangs and people getting arrested for being offensive. It could be worse at least we aren’t France or Sweden. I’d prefer to be able to own a gun but I’ll have to settle for a maglite unless anyone can recommend a better flashlight that doesn’t have a head the size of the elephant man.
I think a typo hasn’t helped here David - I meant they run away, not me. Of course if you’d rather I shot them over a laptop or something well, we’ll have to disagree there.
We live in different worlds. I tried to stress that, but perhaps I failed, I’m sorry. I certainly would rather not get into an argument about it though. In fact I wish the subject never got raised, but I AM allowed to have my opinion on such things.
:+1: Wouldn’t want it any other way! Ever!
I think we can both agree that we can each have our own, vastly different opinions - at the same time - without one of us having to ‘change’ the other’s mind. Sorry if I came across as mocking. I’m not very good at being tactful or diplomatic. I’m pretty hard to offend, and I tend to expect the same from others.
David, honestly it is a pleasure to agree/disagree with you - everyone is different, as are the circumstances in their country. As I said if it were the same there as here, I’d probably feel the same, in fact I’d have to really. :+1: 
as it is here a bark from a big grumpy Rottweilers suffices… for now ! (to be fair they would more likely lick them to death, but don’t tell the burglars!!)
Rottweilers do tend to be protective, especially of children. My sister bought an adult Rottweiler from a friend of hers and kept her in the house. The Rottie had never shown any aggression in her life. But, one time when my sister’s husband tried to discipline their toddler daughter, the Rottie jumped up and barked at him and nearly bit him! They knew from then on that they never had to worry about anyone harming their daughter with the Rottie around! 
Indeed they do, we have had 3 now - the first was a diamond of a dog. She would circle the pram and us when we went out (wasn’t taught that), but 1 single word from me and she’d fall back to my heel and stay there no matter what until I told her different. The one we have now is a complete softy and she’d be anyone’s for a biscuit and a cuddle! that said she does have the best bark and growl out of all 3 (for scaring unwanted night visitors should it arise)
I have to apologise to the OP of course too, we have kinda derailed their thread……I feel ever so guilty about that. Sorry, really. :person_facepalming:
I want one just for the fun of it.
Many of us would try to buy a quality version just to keep in the house or garage for a conversation piece, many people own various knives, edged weapons and blunt or martial arts weapons that they can’t carry or use, but are cool to have.
OOOHH! Cool! I got Rude! points! I haven’t had those in a while! I guess we did break the rules a little with our “political” talk, huh? :person_facepalming:
Anyway, hope you guys find a light that meets your needs without getting you in trouble with the authorities…
I got a rock… :weary:
Where I live, the only thing that threatens my safety is irresponsible owners of large and dangerous dogs. I’m not saying that’s you, just saying that dog owners in general need to realize they pose a threat to completely innocent strangers, especially children. It’s like scattering land mines on the road in front of your house, or walking around with a gun pointed at every stranger.
IMO, pitbulls are the absolute worst, and the breed should be sterilized and eliminated in a generation. But, yes, I get that pitbull owners think they are adorable and the friendliest pets ever… until one day they snap.
BTW, 2 nights ago I actually made a dog stop… for a brief second, when it was barking at me and chasing me on my bike. I blasted it with a Astrolux C8 (about 100,000 candella). Big, ugly MF’er, but it looked shocked, then proceeded to give chase again. I’ve never had a light stop any dog before.
+1. I spent 6 months in south Africa with a guy who couldn’t understand the concept of not having 9ft fences topped with razor wire around your house. For the most part, the UK is fairly safe, this is why we don’t need guns. Hows that for a freedom?
I’m not trying to cause upset, just trying to explain to all the gun activists that we are mostly happy without guns.