FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

[Tom_Tom]

@electricjelly

I don’t have any experience with the LH351D 4000K 90CRI, but I value Djozz’s opinion. If he likes it, I’m sure it would be a great choice. Perhaps it would be best to keep the light as cheap as possible, and not go with the xpl-hi, at first. I’m sure the cheaper it is in the beginning, the more successful it will be. If its a huge hit like I’m certain it will be, hopefully more flavors will be released later with different emitter choices. This formula has worked will for the Emisar line.

Seconded. 4000K. The floodier beam is a big plus for me too, when out searching for things that could be anywhere, possibly brown-coloured, or dripping red stuff.

[Zulumoose]

@Tom Tom

@electricjelly

I don’t have any experience with the LH351D 4000K 90CRI, but I value Djozz’s opinion. If he likes it, I’m sure it would be a great choice. Perhaps it would be best to keep the light as cheap as possible, and not go with the xpl-hi, at first. I’m sure the cheaper it is in the beginning, the more successful it will be. If its a huge hit like I’m certain it will be, hopefully more flavors will be released later with different emitter choices. This formula has worked will for the Emisar line.

Seconded. 4000K. The floodier beam is a big plus for me too, when out searching for things that could be anywhere, possibly brown-coloured, or dripping red stuff.

I suppose when you are losing your livestock to vampire bats, 4000K high CRI is your ideal

[Tom_Tom]

And werewolves

Best to be prepared.

[djozz]

How about the Samsung LH351C (die size is in between LH351B and LH351C). It is recently introduced so probably the bins are good, it will not have the enormous flood of the 1D but should still have good output and efficiency. and it is cheap, about $0.50 when bought in quantities. (Some high CRI options ( ) : 4000K 90CRI at Digikey: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SPHWHTL3D50GE4TPJF/1510-2323-2-ND/7560620)(5000K 90CRI: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SPHWHTL3D50GE4RTMF/1510-2325-2-ND/8536264)

[joechina]

Offtopic: I don’t get the nude gnus joke.
sth. like nude news??

[Zulumoose]

@Tom Tom

And werewolves

Best to be prepared.

Moonlight mode is great for screening the suspect population

[Tom_Tom]

@joechina

Offtopic: I don’t get the nude gnus joke.
sth. like nude news??

Edit: It’s surprising joke, by TK, aided and abetted by DB Custom.

[Tom_Tom]

@Zulumoose

@Tom Tom

And werewolves

Best to be prepared.

Moonlight mode is great for screening the suspect population

A silver version, with a wooden “glass breaker” spike would be perfect, for dual use.

[Kindle]

@AEDe

XPL hi is old, ineffective, with ugly CRI, and expensive.

That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

[zak.wilson (Zak)]

@jon_slider

Nude Gnus
the Silent Majority does not want 5000k

This is the result of a relatively broken voting method called plurality voting. It does not capture more complex real-world preferences like “I prefer 5000K, but I wouldn’t be upset with 4500 or 4000, both of which I strongly prefer to 3500, but even that is better than 6500”.

There are voting systems that do capture such preferences, and TK will be using one for the poll.

[Tixx]

I don’t know how to vote. Not sure where this email box is that I’m supposed to put my username…feeling kinda lost.

[zak.wilson (Zak)]

The actual poll isn’t live yet.

[fritz15]

Hi all,

here are some quick pictures of the second FW3A prototype!

Generally, I feel like the build quality is really great. I also like the beam a lot although there are now XP-G3s in use.
I’ll provide a little more feedback within the next few days since I’m in the middle of moving to another apartment.

I hope you still like the light although it differs partly from the initial design.

[Geuzzz]

Looks real good Fritz. Still hoping for a more raw finish but the design looks much better than in earlier pictures.

[varbos]

Important for me is the emitter efficiency - output vs heat for a given current.

The Emisar D4 with 219s is honestly the dumbest and least usable light I own, it gets hot so quickly, then throttles down to the output of a 1xAAA keychain light. A silly party trick of a flashlight. Ramping is also fun initially but I am done with it now, I prefer discrete levels.

Naturally a hot rod triple in tiny package will get hot but since it is not possible to win the “max lumens” in tiny package title (D4 already wins it), the aim for FW3A should be to win the “practical & usable lumens” in tiny package title.

[Tixx]

@zak.wilson

The actual poll isn’t live yet.

Thank you!

@varbos

Important for me is the emitter efficiency - output vs heat for a given current.

The Emisar D4 with 219s is honestly the dumbest and least usable light I own, it gets hot so quickly, then throttles down to the output of a 1xAAA keychain light. A silly party trick of a flashlight. Ramping is also fun initially but I am done with it now, I prefer discrete levels.

Naturally a hot rod triple in tiny package will get hot but since it is not possible to win the “max lumens” in tiny package title (D4 already wins it), the aim for FW3A should be to win the “practical & usable lumens” in tiny package title.

Definitely!

[g_sintornillos]

@jon_slider

Nude Gnus
the Silent Majority does not want 5000k

To solve this we must go to a ballottage with the two most voted

[Tixx]

@g_sintornillos

@jon_slider

Nude Gnus
the Silent Majority does not want 5000k

To solve this we must go to a ballottage with the two most voted

Instant Runoff Voting would work and the winner would take 51% or more at that point.

[g_sintornillos]

@Noir

Does it have to boil down to just one LED flavor? or is it possible to have two versions right from the start?

What I gather from the discussion of the last few days is that a single LED flavor will almost inevitably leave a good (perhaps even large) portion of potential buyers unhappy.

With two version its much more likely to please the majority.

My suggestions for that would be these two:

• XP-L HI 5000K (highest throw, highest lumens, but low CRI & high cost)

• Samsung LH351D 4000K 90CRI (high CRI, no extra cost, but least throw) [if the Samsungs are unobtainable for some reason > Nichia 219C 4000K 90CRI]

Both variations have their benefits.

I like that!

[jon_slider]

@Eraursls1984

to say that most would be happy with 5000K isn’t necessarily correct either. I love 4500K and 4000K, but wouldn’t be happy with 5000K. 5000K is decent during the day, but I personally rarely use flashlights during the day. For me 4500K is perfect for daytime and decent at night. 4000K is great at night, and decent during the day. Under 4000K is great at night, but terrible during the day.

well said, I resemble those remarks

@DavidEF

jon_slider, don’t you think that’s being a bit manipulative?

lol, did I make a math error?
spin it any way you like, thats what stats are for

Im starting to think you’re part of the Vocal Minority that does not care about High CRI, thinks Low R9 is a fair trade for throw, and calls 5000k “neutral”.

While I resemble the Silent Majority, that Loves High CRI and wont settle for Low R9. And we all know that 4000k is the One True Neutral…

Something tells me you might not agree.

anyway, its just Nude Gnus, a fun way to pass the time waiting for the New and Improved FW3A to materialize from the ether, with the Ultimate EDC LED for High Cri Throw.

Not to be confused with the 2004 60 lumen HDS Ultimate EDC XRGT

flashback to more gNude Gnus
http://outdoors.magazine.free.fr/spip.php?article248
“This light is computer controlled- the brightness is regulated, the temperature of the light is monitored and automatically kept at a safe level…

this line of lights has a fabulously pure white tint (GT= Guaranteed tint) and improved runtime over previous models by 50% (XR= extended runtime). Luxeon LED emitters are never identical in efficiency, brightness or tint due to slight manufacturing variances. Luxeon LEDs used in handheld lighting are very rarely “pure” white but often give off a slight green, blue, or purple tint. The LEDs placed in the XRGT lights are hand-selected for both tint and efficiency.

Believe it or not, the maximum brightness of the Ultimate 60 has greater throw than the incandescent. That’s a tremendous amount of light for one 123A battery to sustain, and though I initially doubted the advertised runtime of 30 minutes, a test revealed a runtime of approximately 35 minutes.“

@djozz

And perhaps it needs mentioning once more: in my experience, once using a flashlight in the real world instead of your wall, CRI has clearly more impact than tint, the tint must be really off to make a flashlight unpleasant to use.

The Silent Majority has spoken the OneTruth!

@ToyKeeper

I’m not sure if the flood/throw pic should be included or not.

I would say Yes, thats absolutely Brilliant

@Noir

Both variations have their benefits.

totally agree, which is why I have more than one light, and often buy lights knowing the LED will be swapped