Of course they were (and I enjoy them), but not appropriate for road-use and never going to be certified.
Limited market here, riding off-road at night ? Few bike shops would carry them without certification, even “under the counter”.
In UK you can have them (or anything) on you’re bike as long as you also have legal lights for on the road.
The UI was not suitable, just a circular cycle, so if using them on the road it took multiple button presses to dim them down or turn off. Not what you want to be doing when trying not to dazzle oncoming, and keep your hands on the handlebars and brake levers. Whilst riding fast.
Great off-road, but that’s specialist. The fashion here is MAMIL (middle aged men (or matrons) in Lycra, on sport road bikes. They don’t usually ride in the dark.
And ultra-light, just the bare minimum legal stuff, with a couple of tiny lights in case you get caught-out. Plus a GoPro on your helmet to record any bad behaviour by motorists. Motorists have dashcams too, for similar reasons.
Other EU countries use bikes for everyday transport, quite different, I wish we could reach that stage soon.
It is indeed quite different over here (densest cycling country in the world, on average 1.3 bicycle per person).
In the early nineties at least in the cities despite the rules no-one had any lighting on their bike and enforcement of the law was sporadic. Then those 5mm led lights came on the market, and although the output of those early leds was very weak and did not comply to the official requirements for bicycle lighting, the government was very pragmatic about it: little light was better than no light, so strategic checkpoints were setup by the police and cyclists with no light got expensive fines by the mass unless on the spot cheap led lighting (that still did not comply to the rules) was bought straight from the police . The result was that within two years most cyclists in the cities actually used front and rear lights and were at least somewhat visible in traffic. Since then, led lighting for bicycles has improved immensely, and because cyclists are now used to the habit of using lights on their bikes, most have adapted the better quality lighting too (and many still use the 1-led dangling mini-lights with almost depleted 2032 batteries).
So over here the law is clear about minimum requirements for bicycle lighting, but the law is not enforced: anything that produces a minute amount of light, as long as the front light is white and the rear light is red, is fine.
In UK/EU there are strict regulations about bike lights and reflectors, the German ones being the tightest.
Why am I not surprised?
zak.wilson wrote:
The German regulations require that bikes use lights powered by a dynamo rather than a battery, unless the bike is under a certain weight and presumably for racing. They also require that the dynamo output 6 volts, which is oddly specific.
So is that a brown wall, brown shutter, and brown floor as the 4000K makes it look, or is there a white floor, blue/grey shutter and oatmeal wall, as the 5000K shows?
This is what makes me wonder why anyone has a preference for high cri in a warm cct, if it makes everything that does not have a stark colour look brown, what use is the cri? To me it is like having a magnificent variety in your exotic fish tank, and preferring to keep the water dirty.
Off white desk, greenish background to the left and grey to the right.
So the right hand side (4000K) photo looks more accurate to me.
An Xrite Colour-Checker might be another way to make comparisons that any BLFer could reproduce.
Have the prototypes an AR coating? If the FW3A gets the 90CRI Samsung it would be better without, or?
I think you say this because of what djozz has mentioned. I’ll be honest and say I cant tell a big difference with and without AR using the Samsung emitters. I have an E2L where I took it off and I have a C8F and Q8 with AR lenses and they all look good to me. Maybe I have an untrained eye though.
That is because AR lens’ quality depends on multiple factors, such ad the coating and impurities added to the glass.
There is good AR coating, like the one on the Q8 Kaidomain AR lens and the one that came with the Convoy C8, and bad ones like the one that was coming with the Q8 and my Thorfite TK15.
I would like to buy one of these flashlights please! LH351D preferred. I will look for how to send payment.
When they are ready for sale you will be sent a Personal Message through this forum. You should also recieve an email to let you know you have a new “PM”.
It should be at least a couple more months, but might be longer depending on how things go.
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From the first post
Have the prototypes an AR coating? If the FW3A gets the 90CRI Samsung it would be better without, or?
It is indeed quite different over here (densest cycling country in the world, on average 1.3 bicycle per person).
In the early nineties at least in the cities despite the rules no-one had any lighting on their bike and enforcement of the law was sporadic. Then those 5mm led lights came on the market, and although the output of those early leds was very weak and did not comply to the official requirements for bicycle lighting, the government was very pragmatic about it: little light was better than no light, so strategic checkpoints were setup by the police and cyclists with no light got expensive fines by the mass unless on the spot cheap led lighting (that still did not comply to the rules) was bought straight from the police
. The result was that within two years most cyclists in the cities actually used front and rear lights and were at least somewhat visible in traffic. Since then, led lighting for bicycles has improved immensely, and because cyclists are now used to the habit of using lights on their bikes, most have adapted the better quality lighting too (and many still use the 1-led dangling mini-lights with almost depleted 2032 batteries).
So over here the law is clear about minimum requirements for bicycle lighting, but the law is not enforced: anything that produces a minute amount of light, as long as the front light is white and the rear light is red, is fine.
link to djozz tests
Why am I not surprised?
Still not surprised…
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Thanks for your work…
So the right hand side (4000K) photo looks more accurate to me.
An Xrite Colour-Checker might be another way to make comparisons that any BLFer could reproduce.
Cheap clones are available.
A colour checker would at least free us from endless quoted mentos pictures
link to djozz tests
5000k Samsung …………………………………… 4000K Samsung
Ok, thank you for the info.As djozz mentioned a few post earlier, photos seem to be a not so good way to compare tint & cri…. but it is all we have.
That said, from the background & foreground info you gave; it looks to me the 5000K on the left looks much more realistic.
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This looks awesome!
Please put me down for 3 of these lights.
In know that everyone has there preferences, but I will be happy with the lights whatever the team chooses.
Please sign me up for 1.
Looks great!
Thanks
Thanks !!!
I think you say this because of what djozz has mentioned. I’ll be honest and say I cant tell a big difference with and without AR using the Samsung emitters. I have an E2L where I took it off and I have a C8F and Q8 with AR lenses and they all look good to me. Maybe I have an untrained eye though.
That is because AR lens’ quality depends on multiple factors, such ad the coating and impurities added to the glass.
There is good AR coating, like the one on the Q8 Kaidomain AR lens and the one that came with the Convoy C8, and bad ones like the one that was coming with the Q8 and my Thorfite TK15.
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I’d like one, please.
I’m new here from r/flashlight, but I would absolutely love 2 if possible!
One in XPL-HI & one in LH351D
Id like to reserve one to buy when its released.
Great work by the BLF and hopefully this will be my next EDC flashlight
I would like one, please.
What are you on about?
Thought I’d signed up already, but just in case I’m signing up now!
Also voted in both polls. This looks like it’s going to be a great light.
I’d like to reserve one, please. Thank you.
LOL! And the avatar to match
You signed up for 1 light last July.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1151494#comment-1151494
So still one light, right?
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link to djozz tests
3 Please!
Hoping for the 219C!
I’m interested in one.
Hoping for a 219C or LH351D 4000k.
I would like to buy one of these flashlights please! LH351D preferred. I will look for how to send payment.
Please sign me up for one light.
Sign me up for one, please!
When they are ready for sale you will be sent a Personal Message through this forum. You should also recieve an email to let you know you have a new “PM”.
It should be at least a couple more months, but might be longer depending on how things go.
Texas Ace Lumen Tube and JoshK Sphere calibrated with Maukka lights
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I’m in for 2 please!
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