Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

Will try to ask HKJ if he can check my data against his. If Barkuti is right with those chinese sources, HKJ will have a lot of work to do to test them.

Hello, unfortunately I got fake cells from liitokala Official Store (217753), ordered 30 25R’s (M variant) in 08/07/18 and received them 07/08/18.

First sight I knew something was wrong, the shrink wrap had the famous lines and upon closer inspection the top is 3 lobed but with wider lobes.

Weighted two of them with a ‘’precision scale’’, 46.7g and 47.3g :person_facepalming:

I charged two of them and discharged in the EBC-A10, confirmed they are fake cells, first one gave 2631mAh (8,42Wh), the second gave 2681mAh (8,52Wh) both at 10A discharge, the cells got really hot, measured between 60~70ºc with a infrared thermometer (20ºc Ambient).

Proceed with opening dispute, demanded full refund and uploaded some evidence.




Discharge test.

First and last time buying batteries on AliExpress it’s just no worth the hassle…

The evidence sent.

If anyone wants more pictures or tests just ask.

I can hear you VictorW. Hope you can manage to achieve something better than me, but that will depend on your chosen beliefs.
I was going to be polite but while writing this up someone rang the bell and when I returned, all my post was gone. So bear with me.
I filed a “product not as described” dispute and requested half refund.
Since I had two brand new genuine Samsung 25R cells I submitted comparative Lii-500 capacity tests plus top and body photos, now filed in the product feedback. See them below. Please note there's no need to send feedback by the time you receive a product, please don't do this unless you are able to properly know if the product is right, you have like a month of available time to submit feedback (and properly spank their asses if required).


The AliExpress Case Management Team motherfuckers ridiculously did not accepted my “appearance not as described” claim, obviously they need coke-bottle glasses (and mind reprogramming). They did accepted “capacity not as described”, though.

Cheers :-)

u are asking for trouble only buying from ali… if something is too good to be true it usually is.

I bet Chinese are reading this thread so they can improve fakes to look more and more like originals :smiley:

Believe in whatever, and so you will experience.

My particular above experiences were influenced by spirits. Lesson learned. But please, don't go with the can't be arsed to open dispute or whatever negative thoughts, if it happened to you is because you attracted it, so defend your nuts! :-D Could the allies have won WW2 with such kind of pessimistic thinking?

Cheers :-)

I know mortuus, but here in Brazil there is no legit supplier of 18650. One 25R is 11usd and gearbest and so on don’t ship here, I tried AliExpress… Well you live and you learn.

I’m dragging this dispute until I can or until the mindless robots at Ali support shut me down :slight_smile:

Does anyone here knows which AE seller sells genuine Littokala batteries? Or perhaps which seller is the actual “Littokala” store??? All this fake Littokala “direct” and “official” sellers are making it impossible to diferentiate which one is the genuine Littokala store.

ssschen, what makes you think there's a “genuine” LietoKala store? :-D (pun intended)

All I see is a bunch of mendacious AliExpress sellers wanting to sell stuff. Period.

Oh! It's “LiitoKala”, not “LittoKala”. :-)

Cheers ^:)

You got me there with the spelling. In my defence, I was lazy, so I copied and pasted it from the title of this thread without even noticing!

Since AE is quite big in China, I imagine LiitoKala surely must have a presence/store on AE??

Mmmkay ssschen, let's assume there's a LiitoKala Official Store in AliExpress which is “more official” than the others (AliExpress sellers can change their store name anytime). If so, there should be any sort of reference to it in their “official” chinese website: http://www.liitokala.com.cn

The above presumption is sort of true, as if you tap/click over the lowest leftmost banner in the main page ( :-D ), you are taken here: https://liitokalahongkong.aliexpress.com/store/217753

However, this store is known to sell fakes, like the rest (and tested ;-) by myself). What is more, they even had a nice photo of Elsa Pataky in that AE page arguing her was the “LiitoKala brand CEO” and her name was Ashley Zhang. See here.

Cheers ^:)

Chang Jiang FST website appears to be this one:

http://www.firstbattery.com/product/

(note: the site is in Chinese though)

http://www.firstbattery.com/product/list-6-cn.html
(some of the 18650s listed here; clicking the battery will display some specifications and discharge graphs for each battery)

OH No ..maybe that's why my cells are fake .

I bought from liitokala not littokala

Which one has the blonde Chinese girl ? I forget ...

I wonder if she's a robot ?

Elsa Pataky. :facepalm: :} :LOVE:

:-)

Are you sure the blonde chinese girl in the photo on Liitokala page is Elsa Pataky? I thought the photo on the wiki link you provided looks vaguely familiar, so I did a few google search. I just realised she is the cop/detective in the Fast & Furious series.

Elena Neves?

Source: #264 post in this same thread

Cheers :-)

To check if there is common problem I’ve ordered tabbed Panasonic NCR18650B also from VariCore and got completly the same fake cells as from Liitokala, just the sticker was different. Famous folded/wrinkled wrapper was there, too. See the picture: VariCore on the top and original Panny on the bottom.

Note there is different font used, “:” sign is even better positioned, but it’s missing 2D barcode.

Made dicharge test along with original cell at 2A and suprisingly I’ve got higher curve and just bit less capacity at about 3250mA:

Comparing Liitokala and VariCore graphs shows they match very closely and I think they are identical. But which ones???

Any word about the new Littokala products, the Lii-PD4, Lii-PL4 and Lii-S2?

I just watched your video. After watching your video, I double checked the 4 Samsung 30Q batteries I bought from Banggood last year, and they have 3-lobe top as well.

The 7x “slightly flawed” Green Samsung 25R batteries I bought from Trisky last year on his thread here, also have 3-lobe top. Phew :smiley:

Do you have any opinions on these Black Liitokala 26650 cells from Elsa’s :smiley: Liitokala Office Store - 217753 on AE??? At US$15.88 for a pack of 4 before shipping costs, they are very appealing to me. Most importantly for us poor Aussies, this store will ship these batteries to Australia, at a very good and affordable shipping cost of only US$3.16

Is there a way to identify a cell from under the wrapper? Maybe we can find out what cells are being re-wrapped?