how long it takes to get hot?
only 55 grams mass seem light

Alen wrote:

how long it takes to get hot? 55 grams mass seem light

ToyKeeper, some help on this please
Any number given, can only be given regarding the prototypes!

The idea was that Fritz designed it, the mechanics, and the driver (and presumably firmware). He spoke of having done both.

Then Cawi would get it made, with his experience and access to German CNC equipment.

So Cawi cannot hide behind having no technical knowledge. He should be as able to judge any mechanical problems as Fritz.

A small run, at an unknown “Fritz” price, which usually starts at $300 dollars (or Euros).

Then it went commercial and BLF/The Miller was asked to help out, which he did, and set up the contact with Lumintop. And DEL (driver). And TK (firmware). And BLF (publicity and organisation).

But then had to duck out for higher-priority reasons.

Meanwhile the whole mechanical purity has become diluted, nay, bastardised, IMO.

I do hope that it will still happen. Eventually. It might even be marginally reliable.

Well, that’s how I see it, and am prepared to be challenged on any of these historical “facts”.

Meanwhile, TK, DEL and Lumintop, I wish you well.

Perhaps it will all be over by Christmas…

From the beginning…

“A collaboration between TLF (Germany) and BLF (global)
Fritz15 made a small triple flashlight on his lathe.
TLF reacted very positive and at first a small hand made batch would be pursued.
Yet, this elegant design just screams for a wider audience.

For a lot of us mere mortals, seeing the cool things machinists make on their lathe is just a dream.
Hence the finish of the FW3A will be clear anodizing, no sanding/beadblasting before anodization.
The idea is to give all the chance to have a light looking like it came of a lathe with the protection of anodizing.
(surface finish details are still being worked out though)”

Any updates on this the last prototype and when we could see production?

Cobra502 wrote:

Any updates on this the last prototype and when we could see production?

Count me in – I would like to buy one. Samsung LH351D 4000K 90CRI

Cobra502 wrote:

Any updates on this the last prototype and when we could see production?

Free Beer tomorrow……

I’d like one flashlight please.

I posted a request earlier in this thread but never got a confirmation and I’m not listed on the first page.

Thank you!

Alen wrote:

how long it takes to get hot?

At full power? A few seconds. Have you used an Emisar D4? It’s a lot like that.

At a more practical power level? It should run indefinitely at several hundred lumens, depending on how you configure its thermal parameters.

Here’s an output graph from a few months ago, showing thermal ramp-down and then a relatively stable level:

That first minute is likely to ramp down faster than shown in the graph though. It was actually too hot during that first plateau, so I made it adjust down faster.

When started at the default ceiling level of 1100 lumens, the result looked more like this:

This test was 9 months ago though, and things have been updated since then. Mostly, it just shows a rough idea of what to expect when using a high mode which isn’t turbo. I think this test also had a lower temperature limit configured. The stable level depends on the user’s personal configuration and environmental conditions.

EnlightenMe wrote:

I’d like one flashlight please.

I posted a request earlier in this thread but never got a confirmation and I’m not listed on the first page.

Thank you!

The list will not be automatically updated on post#1, only later!!

EDIT: Thanks for the thermal stepdown explanation TK

I’m in for one . I like little triples .

MascaratumB wrote:

Thanks for the thermal stepdown explanation TK

The thermal response really depends on a lot of different things… so it’s hard to give concrete answers. I think it’ll probably ramp down very quickly on turbo though, in most cases. And at lower levels the response happens later and slower.

It’s largely based on predictions, so the rate of change has a huge effect on how the light reacts. If the temperature is rising very quickly, it’ll make a hard turn downward. But if it’s rising slowly at the same temperature, it’ll only make a gentle turn.

At full turbo though, there’s sort of an override which forces it down to a more sane level as soon as the prediction goes above the ceiling. So, expect it to only do turbo for a few seconds before it drops to the maximum regulated level of ~1100 lm ^*.

* Lumen numbers are from my cheap uncalibrated light box, and I suspect the real numbers may be a bit lower. I really should order some reference lights from maukka sometime, and build a proper integrating sphere.

EnlightenMe wrote:

I posted a request earlier in this thread but never got a confirmation and I’m not listed on the first page.

JasonWW wrote:

It’s only been 3 days. I think the list gets updated every week or maybe every week and a half. No rush.

… and the list on the first page only gets updated, um, every few *cough* months.

…

I don’t have too many projects. What are you talking about? I’m not busy at all.

I have taken notes to update.

It’s bedtime (in Europe)

Then, pepinfaxera list will be updated.

ToyKeeper wrote:

JasonWW wrote:

It’s only been 3 days. I think the list gets updated every week or maybe every week and a half. No rush.

I don’t have too many projects. What are you talking about? I’m not busy at all.

southcovekayak wrote:

I’d be in for two. Thanks.

southcovekayak wrote:

Thought I was on the list, didn’t see my name… Interested in 1-2 depending on final details and release timetable. (sorry my interest didn’t follow any of the others as noted above)

How many flashlights do you want in total? … x … units? .

gottawearshades wrote:

Definitely in for at least two!

jimmymke wrote:

Interested in one. Jimmymke

jimmymke wrote:

Interested, first sign up after lurking for years. Jimmymke

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nick91900 wrote:

I’m in for one.

nick91900 wrote:

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Please add me to the list.

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Bob_McBob wrote:

I’m 1038, could you put me down for another two please?
See # Post: 2856, page 96

Moparguy wrote:

Please sign me up for 2 ea. FW3A flashlights.

Dadpool wrote:

Post #710 Please add me to the list for 1 light. Thanks!

Dadpool wrote:

Post #3893 Thought I’d signed up already, but just in case I’m signing up now!

Also voted in both polls. This looks like it’s going to be a great light.

chinooker wrote:

sorry, spent this money while waiting
please remove #600

manithree wrote:

I think I’m out on this one, please remove me from the interest list.

Jambo wrote:

# Post I must apologise profusely, I asked for two of these in post number 1574, I completely forgot I’d already asked for one a few months earlier in post number 889.

Could I be a pain and just have two instead of three please? Again, I apologise. Got a bit overexcited possibly!

Tom Tom wrote:

So pipinferaxa, I officially declare that I am out of this one, as I previously said that I would if a further month went by with no news.
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Please remove me from the interest list (2 torches).

Thank you.

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Just one please. Sorry for the duplicated post.

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Someone has the patience of a Saint to do THAT list!

DB Custom wrote:

Someone has the patience of a Saint to do THAT list!

A big ‘thank you’ to pepinfaxera!! .

teacher wrote:

DB Custom wrote:

Someone has the patience of a Saint to do THAT list!

Amen to that!!

A big ‘thank you’ to pepinfaxera!! .

I agree….. good on ya pepin…… even tho I got off the list months back, still watchin the thread

Thanks to you.

And, excuse me, excuse me:

I’m not very communicative

Language problem. I don’t know English language.

Greetings .

This could be interesting, just to see how it pans out.

The Q8 had a similarly massive interest list, and, remarkably, a very high uptake from those on it.

Sufficient that it continues in production today.

Of course the first batch had a few niggling problems, but these were, I think, sorted out as well as could be hoped, thanks to swift feedback from BLF, The Miller’s determination, and Thorfire’s responsiveness in swiftly doing a little re-design and re-making a part (and replacing the production manager).

Due to serendipity I missed the first-batch problems.

The Miller had to take a chance on signing off the Q8 when he did, the team could have fannied on forever over the minutiae, it was very interesting technically, but there was a market window, beyond which interest would have slowly died, credibility been lost, reputational damage to BLF, loss of an interested supplier (Thorfire/Sofirn).

My suggestion: Build no more than say 50 in the first batch and sell them at a really good unrepeatable unmissable price. First come, first served. No warranty, but as much support as can be run from China with someone coordinating. We won’t get Wim, but is anyone else prepared to step-up ?

Make it clear that these are actually pre-production prototypes, and would best be bought by experienced people who are prepared for a few bumps and squeaks in exchange for a great price, and the opportunity to improve the thing, if necessary.

Then wait for feedback here. Give it at least two months. Then reflect, make any changes that seem sensible, and build the main run.

This is how we do things in Aerospace, typically A model, B model, C model (all internal development), P model (clients first sight of the thing, and chance to evaluate and complete qualification, not to be used in a serious situation, unless needs must), then full-scale ramp-up. But this should not be necessary for a simple torch.

Simply making only two pre-production prototypes, then sending them to only two people, most heavily involved (and least likely to be able to critique their own work neutrally), and who seem to have gone off-grid, does not seem to me the brightest of ideas.

I also suspect that there ought to be some final tuning of firmware, by the Goddess, to suit whatever emitter choices have actually been made (still unknown). When (and how, without a couple of P-models) is that going to happen ?

pepinfaxera wrote:

Thanks to you.

And, excuse me, excuse me:

I’m not very communicative

Language problem. I don’t know English language.

Greetings .

Do not worry about what you call a “language problem”…. you are doing an amazing job. Especially since you do not know English!! .

Tom Tom wrote:

This could be interesting, just to see how it pans out.

The Q8 had a similarly massive interest list, and, remarkably, a very high uptake from those on it.

Sufficient that it continues in production today.

Of course the first batch had a few niggling problems, but these were, I think, sorted out as well as could be hoped, thanks to swift feedback from BLF, The Miller’s determination, and Thorfire’s responsiveness in swiftly doing a little re-design and re-making a part (and replacing the production manager).

Due to serendipity I missed the first-batch problems.

The Miller had to take a chance on signing off the Q8 when he did, the team could have fannied on forever over the minutiae, it was very interesting technically, but there was a market window, beyond which interest would have slowly died, credibility been lost, reputational damage to BLF, loss of an interested supplier (Thorfire/Sofirn).

My suggestion: Build no more than say 50 in the first batch and sell them at a really good unrepeatable unmissable price. First come, first served. No warranty, but as much support as can be run from China with someone coordinating. We won’t get Wim, but is anyone else prepared to step-up ?

Make it clear that these are actually pre-production prototypes, and would best be bought by experienced people who are prepared for a few bumps and squeaks in exchange for a great price, and the opportunity to improve the thing, if necessary.

Then wait for feedback here. Give it at least two months. Then reflect, make any changes that seem sensible, and build the main run.

This is how we do things in Aerospace, typically A model, B model, C model (all internal development), P model (clients first sight of the thing, and chance to evaluate and complete qualification, not to be used in a serious situation, unless needs must), then full-scale ramp-up. But this should not be necessary for a simple torch.

Simply making only two pre-production prototypes, then sending them to only two people, most heavily involved (and least likely to be able to critique their own work neutrally), and who seem to have gone off-grid, does not seem to me the brightest of ideas.

I also suspect that there ought to be some final tuning of firmware, by the Goddess, to suit whatever emitter choices have actually been made (still unknown). When (and how, without a couple of P-models) is that going to happen ?

Where do I sign up for those first 50 testers?!

Tom Tom, despite I understand your point of view and despite I agree that in an ideal world we would like to have fully tested an flawless flashlights for the more than 1600 interested members (only in BLF!!!), making a small batch for test, waiting another 2 months and then start “final” production, would delay this even more.

I guess some things were learnt in the Q8 and other BLF projects, but samples/prototypes are being delivered to some members and are being “tested” (even if we don’t actually know the results…).

This is not rocket science, this is a $30-$35 flashlight, that may come out with or without flaws! It shall be respected as something that will be paid and as something that must work at full power & specs , of course, but if when the time has come and everything is ready for production we need to wait some more months for reports to be done…it will take even more time to get the flashlight.

My opinion only…