Medium sized throwers

It’s dual cell and quite long…

I considered that. In a way I find it redundant - because it can be calculated from throw.
In a way I find it useful - because some of us are used to operating on kcd, some on throw, some on both. This would make the list more comprehensive for some users. OTOH too much data becomes confusing.
I for this reason I consider removing the “BLF UI” column.
BLFers, what do you think?

Added it to the list, thanks for the pointer.
I hesitated to do that because throw is really bad compared to the others here.
But is it a thrower? Certainly not a flooder. Not intermediate beam (which I call floower) either.
Do dimensions fit the pack? They do.
So it’s listed.

great thread! i think it would be useful to include whether they include some form of current control as this makes a fairly big difference to real world use and for example is a big difference between the p30 and the GT mini / d1s. that’s just me though.

This list needs pictures!

Frankly, I’ve been thinking about that as well, but didn’t really get to implementing it. I think I’ll add a column with driver type later…

I like that idea! But I have no idea how to add them w/out affecting readability…

I silently made a number of updates to the list in the last few days.

Removed:

  • BLF UI column

Added:

  • more lights
  • more measurements
  • review links
  • claimed throw distance
  • flashlight length

I’m about to add many missing throwers, mainly older ones from:

  • Eagletac
  • Klarus
  • Sunwayman
  • Acebeam
  • Solarforce
  • Fenix

But that M25C2 Turbo doesn’t really feel “medium sized”.
I feel I need to adjust the definition. And I feel that adding an upper limit on head diameter is the right way of doing so.
I feel that Amutorch JM70 II at 72 mm is still medium sized, so I’d set probably something north of that. As JM70 has the largest diameter of all lights listed so far that would not result in anything being evicted from the list.

Would an upper limit of 75 mm be consistent with others’ feelings of what “medium size” is?

At the lower end I also have doubts. I already said that I would be tempted to enlist Acebeam L16, but don’t want to open the pandora box of C8-like lights. But is an inclusion of a light with head size 2 mm larger than C8 and XM-L2 really beneficial? This would make me consider moving the minimal size up to 50 mm. But those Archers are really outstanding performers and deserve listing. 48 mm limit? Quite arbitrary, isn’t it? And actually includes an underdriven 30 kcd Klarus XTQ2.
So maybe I should set a lower limit on throw instead of on size? 90 kcd? That would remove Manker U22 from the list (why does it throw so bad?). Acebeam L16, Astrolux C8 would be included. I don’t know whether I should keep some zoomies for which I lack throw data. It would no longer be a list of medium size throwers, should probably be renamed somehow.
Thoughts?

Also, I’m really not happy with the “lowest price ever” column. Because I severely lack data to fill it. I don’t want to change that to the listed price as it doesn’t really provide any information. For some lights one struggles to buy 20% cheaper, for others 60% is frequent.
Suggestions?

I have some further plans to improve the list, but I can’t promise to deliver them.
I’d like to remove the “type” column and in the “Light” one - add a photo below the name. A photo that shows the optics, so type can be deduced.

I have some sustainability worries. Work on it is takes major effort, I may not be able to continue doing it forever. I believe that making it editable to wider public could be beneficial, but at the same I’m not sure what would be a good way to do this or if there are really any people interested in editing it.
Comments?

Or maybe I should stop striving to include all medium sized throwers and decide that lights which are larger than C8 yet fail to outthrow (Astrolux) C8 are simply uninteresting?
That would be controversial with Manker U21 which is on the edge, but I could keep it because some measurements show it as throwier than the Astrolux. :wink:
Also, I lack throw data for quite a few lights; this reduces applicability of this rule.
But it would really help avoid adding outdated stuff to the list while keeping it size-based.

BTW it’s funny that according to the specs, that huge m25c2 throws just 6.5% farther than Acebeam L16 despite being 2.3 times larger. It’s barely throwier than Astrolux C8.

Yes to both points but an exception should be made for commonly modded lights.

That is my reason for following the thread. I am more interested in looking through the list for modding potential. If you can double the kcd easily (and I dont mean throw a black/white flat in and call it a thrower all the sudden). If you can put a commonly available driver in without messing with glue and custom heat sinks it should be considered based on its potential kcd.

Take a wikipedia approach? Ie, let others edit it, but be able to revert back in case someone screws it up (or intentionally sabotages it).

Very useful table. I think you copied the throw data from the Maxtoch M1 to the M2. M2 throws less.

Thanks for the correction. It seems that they chose to use a domed LED on it. Sad…

I decided to try to convince Parametrek to open up his database to external contributions. I strongly believe it would make it much better than it is now….
I tried and failed.

So I’m back with the dilemma.
Actually I have no pretensions of being a moderator / curator / owner / person in charge. If such person is missing I could take the spot like I did in this thread but I don’t desire it. I just want to have “somewhere” where I can look up flashlights and I want that “somewhere” to contain every light that meets my criteria. I am willing to work to make that happen, but I am unable to take a majority of the burden myself.
Among others - I’m not taking the job of server administrator, that’s beyond me.

I’ve been thinking of using the flashlight wiki. But wiki is quite cumbersome (less than a forum post but still…) when you want many types of properties and you want the user to be able to search flashlights that meet a set of values.
Splitting lights to some categories would help but still wouldn’t be nearly as good as what Parametrek has done.
In effect - I don’t know what to do about it….

I suggest to add the jaxman X1S Throw version to the list.

Thanks for the suggestion, definitely looks like it belongs here. Will add it later.

The X1S seems almost unknown. Would like to see how it holds up against ODL20C or V6 which are similar size.

Im pretty sure its the same reflector as Convoy L2

How did I miss this thread? Thanks for writing this, excellent information which will lead to me spending more money!

I Added X1S now. I failed to find throw numbers of a stock one though and the manufacturer-reported ones are quite low.

I changed the semantics of the price field. Now it’s the lowest I’ve seen reported.
It’s hard to fill well because many price reports don’t indicate whether shipping was included, but easier because I can include not-so-great deals.
And so I did now; I filled most prices with the lowest I see now.
I’m not very happy with the current state as some lights list superb deals why others are just straight a list price, but I hope this will improve over time.
I welcome help with this column….

Because of the limitation of this blog, I believe all updates to this table may have to be done manually by the OP. Wikipedia happens to use server-side scripting with a database back-end to make its the content editable to the user.

BTW, I really appreciate the work that went behind gathering and tabulating this data. May I ask how the flashlight intensities were measured?