[♛ FreemeGB] Fireflies PL47 Gen II 4*XP-L/ Nichia/ SST20 Hi CRI 21700 Right Angle Flashlight - ENDED

Jack take a long time if ever to respond to emails. He responds to PMs faster. Usually very responsive with PMs but sometimes take a long while too. Maybe vacation or business trip?

You could try to contact Lexel, since I think he is responsible for the driver, and aux led board design, and see if he knows what might have failed. Actually he’s responsible for the entire electronic design of all of these FF models AFAIK, and, I presume, also the tailoring of TK’s open-source firmware, because I suspect that if she had any involvement here, never-mind even token gesture funding, she would have let it be known.

If I have got Lexel, or TK’s involvement wrong, please could they let me know the true situation and I will edit, retract etc. any misinformation.

Fireflies sketch out then subcontract the metalwork, assemble (or get someone else to) the parts, use FreemeGB to promote the interest here before the product actually exists (with his cut), then distribute (late), as far as I know.

Sending out prototypes for review and evaluation, and feedback, by respected independents, in advance seems not to be their way, and the pre-order window is too short for any independent reporting back. Too much in a hurry to get orders in, and demanding/expecting a leap of faith by their first customers, based on over-promising.

It’s a borderline business model, even if you can keep all the plates spinning in the air, and the product is worthy. It’s only their second go at this, the ROT66 seems to be liked by some, though the ones who paid full price but got the first ones without the Aux LED board, and no retrofit kit in prospect, might be understandably annoyed.

Still, you all will have 3 years warranty, once they arrive. As long as you didn’t specify “no glue”. Good luck with that, and paying to send them back to China at your own cost if the warranty is required.

Also bear in mind that some people who have received (or even not received) shoddy products don’t like to talk about it publicly, perhaps feeling a little foolish, but just put it down to experience, write off the money, and learn not to be quite so trusting again.

I dont know what youre all so upset about, because i still cant find the headphone jack, and there is absolutely nothing in the manual about the gps.

My perspective, its a pretty nice light for 50$. I was probably within the 1st 20 people to own one, (err, which is to say 3).

I think that is pretty nifty. Even if i cant find that damn jack.

I dont know that it will replace my zebra for work, but that is a subjective issue not the fault of the light. I think i am just used to the mule type flood—gonna continue to play with them, though. I added 2 layers of dc fix —still feels a little bright in the middle, but i am pretty happy with my purchase, will find a use for them—neat little lights, weight difference is a wee bit heavier but a negligible difference. Headband is ill chosen. Clip seems small. Ui is Alot of fun.

[Edit: i normally wear a zebra headband w/o top strap. The pl47 feels quite comfortable with a zebra headband W/ top strap. Will have to re-examine wearabilty-thru-a-work day, seems much better with the top strap. So i will have to re-examine the practical bits: light dispersal/color. Weight. Runtime at useful levels. In a work environment. But i feel alot more optimstic after adding the top strap]

Perhaps, i have better expectation management, i suppose? 50 bucks to be first off the line of a completely unproven-possibly extraordinary mom and pop shop? Felt like a low risk high reward scenario. The very fact that something showed up in the mail that i could shovel some batteries into makes me happy. The fact that pink light comes out the end of it is gravy.

My 2 cents: if one wishes to have all of the benefits of a tried, tested and proven appliance. Buy that then.

No headphone jack. Seriously?

Personally I welcome a new company like Fireflies. They are releasing a new style of lights using the 21700 cell format while offering many different LED choices. Based on the PL47, which I purchased, they are listening to the community. Yes they could be a little more communicative and the tracking for my PL47 was lacking, but they say patience is a virtue.

I don’t feel like they demanded or required a leap of faith from me. I decided to take advantage of a 10% discount knowing full well this light has not yet been reviewed. Besides a better head strap and maybe a button with more feedback (love the D4S button), I think the PL47 is a great light at a fair price.

I was being a bit silly to draw attention away from the dissapponted folks. Or maybe to draw attention towards them. I am not sure, but i know i was being silly.

Yup, its a great light. Except for the crummy button, the weak output, and the fact that very few 21700 batteries can fit.
A great light indeed.

Not sure why you think it is weak output. If the 1,800 lumens measurement someone posted for the 219B 9080 is true, that is actually very impressive. Considering the S41 quad 219B (9000 or 9050?) only makes 1,400 lumens true output, I’m surprised the 9080 emitters can do so much more. Maybe FF got lucky and found a really high flux bin (anyone know is it a D240 or above?).

Also, if the 1,800 lumens measurement is based off the Maukka/ANSI standard, it will present lower numbers than the typical lumen standard used by flashlight manufacturers. Even TA’s original lumen measurement standard read 28% higher than Maukka/ANSI.

Our requirements are probably different and i am missing context but i think youre being a bit overly critical—so apologies because my opinion is to follow. I really want to give this light a fair shake but all this negative energy is getting in the way of my objective analysis. Which is to say will it light things up in front of my face as brightly as i want it for as long as i want it to. Havent gotten that far yet.

Fwiw i own maybe 40 to 50 headlamps, that i have gathered thru the years. So i guess you could say i have seen them evolve thru the years—all so very slowly. Which is to suggest that my expectation level is pretty reasonable. 80 lumens used to be jaw dropping lumens.

According to your own specs —1800 fast /jaw/ dropping lumens. (I added jaw), Is still higher than zebralights top current L-shaped model or maybe matching, dont actually know but bought one 2-3 months ago and it was either 1600 or 1800 lumen.

And you know what? The Pl47 nichia is 50$ cheaper. With universally accepted better tint. The sst20 4000k is probably several hundred lumens brighter and is 50$ cheaper than the zl i bought 2-3 months ago. The xpl nw is $50 cheaper than the zl and probably rivals the acebeam h30 and is $70 cheaper. Cost benefit analysis ff does seem to hold an edge.

Almost went with the acebeam h30. 120$ stock, but didnt like the goofy aux lites. Then was gonna get skylumen-mods to get the aux lites in samsung high cri. $160. Instead i lucked upon fireflies. I got 3 pl47’s for the price of one modded h30. And to cover several different scenarios.

My buttons seem fine, btw.

Maukkas review of the rot66 demonstrated a bit of oveeestimation of the nichias by ff. 5000 vs his 4250/38×× something, i forget. And his graphs showed it peaked for like a second then dropped to 700 lumens and held for 4 hours. Ff seems to have taken the best turn on peak level and called that the lumen level. They all do it, why hold them to a higher standard? What was your serious expectation here? Isnt that the nature of the entire industry, excepting like what—surefire? Beyond that the output is a result of the emitter choice, isnt it? Arent the nichia 219b like ancient old school leds? That people adore because they make things look pink? Not bright. Isnt it true that all high cri leds are piss poor performers in the output category? If output was your goal you probably should have opted for xpl.

The pl47 has an lg battery on sales page, but does not explicitly say it will fit, i assume it will. Zebralight does this with their pogo pin lites while stating only sanyo ncr18650ga is guaranteed to fit, with a box to check if you want one. Mtn electronics does this, stating only xxxx battery is guaranteed to fit. Which is better imho of a proprietary pack nonsense like olight or nitecore. Ff obvious error but not a novel one, should have said only lg fits. Check.

I got samsung 50e’s and they fit fine.

I dont know if it is a great light—yet, but it outputs in pink what my latest zebra does for 50$ less. The only real question i have is whether i will have to change out batteries every 2 hours. and i dont know that yet. My only hope was to pull about 6-700 high cri lumens for 4+ hours, before battery changes. And wont really know that till i have cycled my batteries a few times anyway.

I wont know if the pl47 is a piece of crap for at least a few weeks.

So far i like it, er them.

Sorry yours didnt work out.

Edit: dude and how cool is the ui. Seriously.

So the Zebralight headbands will fit around the tube of the PL47? I have several old ones and was wondering if they would fit. Do you have to stretch the retention rings quite a bit to make it fit?

18650 version i would say yes—will fit, absolutely.

Well the rings are silicone so stretch isnt really a problem. With a zl light i would have to replace a headband every couple of 6months because it would get all stretched out—but that is the fabric part. And That was the only time the light came out of the silicone holder. So, i was never in the habit of inserting and removing the light on a daily basis. The same will be true with a pl47. Takes a little doing to get it in so you probably will want to leave it there. But it doesnt seem over matched or exceeding capacity. It looks like 3/16-1/4” difference in diameter—> zl 603? pl47.

What i did notice right away was—i wear the zl without the top strap. Just headband part & lite. The pl47 without the top strap bounced around alot going up and down stairs. So i tried it with top strap and feels pretty secure. And comfy. Been wearing it for a few hours and pretty much forget it is there (pl47). That said, i have been wearing a headlamp for 10+hours a day for 15-20 years, so your experience may vary.

You really do live in a different world. $50 is a LOT of money to splash out on, frankly, just an amusement, frivolity, that may end up un-used on a shelf with 100 or more other such things. (Even if it works to your satisfaction).

This was never going to be a dependable “working” torch, that was clear to me from the start.

As Christmas approaches my spare money instead goes to Trussell Trust foodbanks (I live in Mugsborough on Sea, look up the Ragged-Trousered Philanthropist) , and the Salvation Army.

Poverty and exploitation still exists in the fifth largest economy of the world, and conspicuous consumption, just because you can, is still regarded as distasteful here, by most. Not that you would know it, given the in-your-face conspicuous consumption still prevalent.

And there is so much worse going on. But certain political establishments and news channels are still in thrall to their lords and masters., and so, history repeats.

Sometimes a torch is just a torch, and a cigar is just a cigar, and better just to let things go, walk away, say nothing more, and cease the fanboy cheerleading, unless the supplier really deserves it and has something unique, perfected, and above all special, to offer, with service and backup to match. Or is trying really hard and wanting to do better.

I can’t blame FF for trying, and perhaps they have a vision, if so, share the roadmap please, and try to do better.

Actions usually speak louder than words. That said, everyone deserves a second chance. Expecting a third chance is pushing it.

I gotta say, hmmmmm. I have been reading your comments as theyve progressed in this thread, even tried to assist and It occurs to me that your requirements outpaced a relatively green light/ company. Which is to say if you are using headlamps to crawl and climb thru caves you really have no place purchasing unproven equipment. Get an indestructable petzl or some such designed, and tested in the field by and for cavers and have at it.

You should not be using an untested light, period. An enthusiasts novelty light for that matter. Your life may depend on such a light. Seems silly that you were surprised by the trouble, that you have had. I would think any light that you buy should say bomb proof, because anything that goes wrong with it could be life or death.

It’s easy to spend $30+ per person on a night at the movie, and sometimes the movie sucks.

You certainly have a mind for writing in the superlative in regards to flashlights though, could I suggest a voice recorder?

P.S. Freud was nuts

Well that was a special experience. Thank you for that.

I budget for tools that i use as a part of my livelihood, guy with special feelings about me that doesnt know me.

I donot consider headlamps a frivolous expense as i use them 10+ hours a day, 7 days a week. The chance at a slightly better one is always an advantage, and worth every penny.

Thank you for your strong feelings, though. If 50 bucks is too much you shouldnt buy this light. You go in knowing that it is a risk. That is what is so puzzling to me about some of the comments here. It is an unproven light. You have to make this purchase knowing that it is a 50$ risk. People who do not have 50$ to lose simply should not buy unproven lights, or unproven anything frankly. How is this not obvious?

If you do not want to assume that risk you must wait. And see what others say. And then once again do a cost benefit analysis of what this light is worth. I will thank you not to preach to me about socioeconomics regarding flashlight purchases. For me it is a tool. Not a keychain or jewelry.

Please define “conspicuous consumption” for me. I would define it as articles of prestige or merit placed upon a shelf, not of utilitarian value but of intrinsic value or worth. And i would also consider that distasteful but would find it highly irregular to jam it in someones face.

Fanboy cheerleading. Wow, that was adorable. Now your just being a grumpy pants. Yes i want to give this light a fair shot because i want to like it because i just bought three of them. And so far the criticisms seem like those of fancy people—if you want to get right down to brass tacks.

[Edit: (i.e. criticisms…) the button is squishy, its not bright enough, my friends aux leds are brighter than mine, all of my batteries wont fit…wahhhhhhhh 1st world problems right? I didnot make one of those complaints.]

And you kind of went on a bit of a rant there. And all i wanted to say. Not jewelry. a TOOL. Used everyday. Because i make things. I work for a living. I am not a bad person.

Dude, lighten up. Youre perusing a thread about fancy flashlights and have the nerve to bust my balls for buying one? And my liking the light, because i can see myself using the light? And having the audacity to tell people that they should relax with the criticism for having been dissappointed with buying an unproven light?

I dont understand the problem. You just want to be mad, so fine. Grrr. Back.

I dont even go out to the movies. Cant afford it.

Lol thats a Joke… Petzl are not as indestructable as they USED to be… Almost all cavers I know nolonger use Petzl because they are not as good as they used to be.
I also use a headlamp for more than just caving too…

I suspect the first words spoken by Tom Tom were “Bah Humbug” :smiling_imp:

You seem to think $50 is ok to waste on an item… Well sorry it is not ok nor is poor quality control ok… If I want a cheap light that may only work for a while and the specs are overflated then I can spend less than £10 But I choose to believe a Firefly and trust his specs and quality control etc… OH dear that was a hell of a fail…Poor Communications, Lumens that don’t come close to what are advertised,failing light due to Aux leds dying which could be a sign of further faults, Damaged batteries due to no clarification how best to use and adapter,Have to agree about the squishy button,Different sized inner for the battery tubes and a head band that was not even close to fit for purpose… All these errode the confidance in the product and company…Thankfully used paypal to pay so will return them.

My PL47 will be with me today. Black version with SST20. I will make measurements and describe them thoroughly. I wonder if the Lii 21700 will fit into the tube. After the bad start with ROT66 and the comments on PL47 read here, I am skeptical.

For me it is 50$ well spend as the flashlight is working perfectly, guess you have been very unlucky with yours and i hope FF will sort it out.