Yes, please no logoâs. If it is sold from China you donât neet the CE logo anyway.
Itâs the responsibility of the European importer/distributer of the product, wich probably wonât be the way of selling. Donât think this will end up in shops, just straight from China to the end user.
yes i dont get it either, its not like this light is gonna be sold in retailer shops etc⌠most will buy from banggood or where they will be sold after group buy⌠logo i dont really want at all on this lightâŚ
No CE marking (and genuine documentation) is just asking for it to be sent back at the EU Border, if inspected.
Already happening. And a database of repeat offenders no-doubt being built, and shared, the easier to catch the next dodgy parcel.
By the way, there is no difference between business and personal importation. The rules apply to you, personally. Or as a businessperson. Thatâs why you will be charged duty, tax, and handling fee if found-out.
Some EU countries are very tight on this and clearly have plenty of officials looking into things. in the UK you can usually expect to get away with it.
Perhaps they have got their ducks in a row, the paperwork in order, using a reputable freight-forwarder, etc. etc. Like any reputable company. Good on them.
But you seem very confident that no Emisars have been sent back from the EU. How do you know that ?
Nevertheless I wasnât pointing fingers at Emisar. I suspect that they behave with integrity.
But, speaking frankly, at Neal, and his blatant drop-shipping from dodgy outfits, where there seems to be a recurring pattern of problems, delays, lack of tracking, return to sender, weird shipping methods, interest list confusions, all the Fireflies stuff that is creating concern, (donât know about his other deals, never used them, never will) and potentially this one, unless he ups his game and turns into a serious business person, rather than a chancer.
If Neal was operating a real business, holding owned stock, bought and paid for, in a warehouse ready to ship, maybe in the customerâs territory, commissioning new products, having delivery, quality control, warranty provision, and customer service systems, that would be a different matter.
As he did manage before Banggood let him go.
But I suspect that he might even still be operating as a middle-man from his spare bedroom. No disgrace in that, but things ought to be better and smoother and faster to Western customers. The world is changing rapidly and amateurism just isnât good enough. Heâs had a few years to develop since then and impress us with his acumen. Still waiting.
Frankly, if he is in the loop, I donât want it. There, Iâve said it, so sue me or rude me. Just know who and what you are dealing with.
If this can be delivered by e.g. Banggood or even Gearbest, or similar, who play to the rules, Iâm in. If it has to be a âDel Boy Dealsâ or similar Iâm out.
Thanks for the info. It seems as if it may be a while yet then.
Repeating myself, I hope there will be a final prototype sent to TK, and others, before production begins.
It would definitely be better to identify any issues beforehand.
+2
We may not agree in every single instance yet your past reputation precedes itself here in terms of giving investors the inside look needed to shape opinions of who we are all actually dealing with in these GBs. Your purpose wasnât to start anything yet you deserve respect for holding many of these together and frankly offering some hint of credibility where (unfortunately) it is oftenâŚweâll just leave it there (no disrespect whatsoever to the OP who has put lights in thousands of hands for little to no compensation given the work required).
Iâm in for (2) more LF351DsâŚif only for the above and the fact that McBob is apparently in for (6)âŚwhich should intrigue anyone looking for âthe perfect lightâ which (imo) he took a pretty good stab at producing not too long ago:
(Off Topic): âThe Perfect Country and Western Songâ
FWIW, I generally dont read, much less agree with what TT saysâŚâŚ not so much that I disagree but mainly because the post are so long that I tend to loose track of what he is saying. On this I have to agreeâŚâŚ Nealâs inability to communicate, insure QC and provide customers a troublefree transaction has a lot to be desired. It âseemsâ like it is always a roll of the dice when he is involved.
Uhm⌠as I am still pretty new⌠Who is Neal and how does he contribute to all those projects he is involed in (like in the FW3A)? It seems to me that he is more than just an owner of an online shop, so what does he do? And how is this related to M4D M4X?
Also, I always wondered whether any of the people involved in the actual creation of the flashlight design ever see any money for their efforts. Like the people who design the lights, drivers, program UIs etc. This does not seem the case, if I read that right and it makes me kinda sad. If thatâs right, I wish there was at least an option to pay 10-20% extra for the light and that extra money then reaches the private contributors from this forum. Because everyone besides them seem to get their fair share out of it(?)
Neal handles a lot of what needs to be done in China. He used to work in the flashlight department of Banggood, and was involved in making the BLF-A6 and Kronos X5/X6, but later ended up on his own. I donât recall the timeline exactly, but I think he got canned shortly after the failed Cometa project. Then he started his own flashlight middle-man company and was involved in making the BLF GT. He has also been reselling a variety of other products at his online shop, which I think was created in collaboration with M4D M4X. M4D M4X has been doing tuĂĄn gòu (group buy) style deals for a few years, where the vendor gets a bunch of buyers, the buyers get a discount coupon, and M4D M4X gets a percentage for his services.
In this case, I think Neal basically hired Lumintop to produce an item, and is acting as a retailer for that item. Once the product is available to buy, the rest of the process is up to Neal and M4D M4X â sales, shipping, support, returns, etc.
No, the people on the BLF/TLF side of this donât get any money for it. Just an occasional prototype, and generally a free light or two at the end.
People keep telling me I should set up a Patreon account or something, but I havenât done it yet. Maybe I should, but most of the time it seems like itâd just be another headache.
I honestly think you and the others involved in this and similar projects should do that, or a Ko-Fi or at least a PayPal donation thing. Something like that. Not as a payment, but as a token of gratitude from people who really like what you all do.