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I think the anticipation is the greater part of the fun – admit it, three days after the light shows up it’ll be on the shelf with the other 40 lights we don’t use, and we’ll be griping because The Next Great Thing is taking so long to arrive. Facepalm

Enjoy the anticipation, it’ll be over soon.


The problem there will be the other 40 lights Big Smile

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Tumbleweed48 wrote:
admit it, three days after the light shows up it’ll be on the shelf with the other 40 lights we don’t use

I think this one is an exception in that in many cases, possibly most, it will take over EDC duties from other lights.
Could be the first EDC light that combines very practical small size with 18650 power, rear switch to avoid accidental activation, and lots of nifty features to play with.
The side switch is the only reason the D4 is not my EDC, or it would be holding this spot.

Beam me up!

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One other advantage of making more lights are lower bulk prices.

Let’s just say the light costs 25$US(SST-20/LH351D) to make and ship at 1000pcs.

Well, the price could go down to 24$US if they are able to make 1500pcs, and 23,50$US at 2000pcs.

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Tumbleweed48 wrote:
I think the anticipation is the greater part of the fun – admit it, three days after the light shows up it’ll be on the shelf with the other 40 lights we don’t use, and we’ll be griping because The Next Great Thing is taking so long to arrive. Facepalm

Enjoy the anticipation, it’ll be over soon.

no this will actually be a handy light to have in your pockets.

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News has it that the (most probably) last hurdle of this project is the delayed availability of the optics before production commences.

Thanks for the latest news. Does the news include clarification whether they’re still having trouble sourcing high CRI emitters, or is it possible this is the last hurdle only before the XP-L HI version starts production?

LH351D still “sourceless’ , after the optics issue, the xpl-hi will proceed as planned, barring again another unforeseen circumstance.

As l previously said, let’s enjoy the lights that we HAVE in the meantime!

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Aside from the extra cost, and aside from people wanting high CRI, I’d kinda prefer to do a spread of XP-L HI tints instead. ~3300K, ~4100K, ~4900K, ~5700K, all in “A” or “D” tints so they’d be on the pink side of BBL. Or perhaps they can be convinced to do a Cree spread and a high-CRI emitter.

This. This right here. How do we get you in charge?

I’ll take a 3300K and 4100K XP-L HI and one of the terrible hi-CRI versions to swap in some 219B’s.

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for all those that want the LH351D it seems the wait will be long until we hear anything they decide to do wait for those or change emitter to something else.

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I would not hold my breath on the EVER seeing the LH351D in this light….how many Chinese made flashlights other than a couple of Zebralights are there with Samsung LH351D stock? – VERY few….

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Silly I’m on that list for 2 also….IF it ever happens to come true.
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I mean, Barry did say they found a Samsung LH351D supplier.

So, that means a large company like Lumintop shouldn’t have any problems, right?

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I think it stems from the fact that Samsung is South Korean (Racial & Cultural Animosity) and that Samsung does not have a LED plant(s) in China (Import duties? Prohibitions?)….

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I think it stems from the fact that Samsung is South Korean (Racial & Cultural Animosity) and that Samsung does not have a LED plant(s) in China (Import duties? Prohibitions?)….

Lol Samsung, LG and all the other electronics producers in Korea wouldn’t be around if “cultural animosity” was a real issue and people somehow cared about it more than running a business. Where do you think most of their production (or assembly at least) is located?

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I would not hold my breath on the EVER seeing the LH351D in this light….how many Chinese made flashlights other than a couple of Zebralights are there with Samsung LH351D stock? – VERY few….

yeah the only part that is confusing is that the emitter was confirmed ages ago… o well

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tundraotto wrote:
I would not hold my breath on the EVER seeing the LH351D in this light….how many Chinese made flashlights other than a couple of Zebralights are there with Samsung LH351D stock? – VERY few….

yeah the only part that is confusing is that the emitter was confirmed ages ago… o well

Innocent ‘Confirmed’ does not translate directly from Chinese to mean the same as ‘Confirmed’ in the ‘West’….
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tundraotto wrote:
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yeah the only part that is confusing is that the emitter was confirmed ages ago… o well
Innocent ‘Confirmed’ does not translate directly from Chinese to mean the same as ‘Confirmed’ in the ‘West’….
So very true… Big Smile . Thumbs Up

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I think it stems from the fact that Samsung is South Korean (Racial & Cultural Animosity) and that Samsung does not have a LED plant(s) in China (Import duties? Prohibitions?)….

Lol Samsung, LG and all the other electronics producers in Korea wouldn’t be around if “cultural animosity” was a real issue and people somehow cared about it more than running a business. Where do you think most of their production (or assembly at least) is located?

Most is by far in South Korea, I am surprised there is any in China.

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/about-us/manufacturing-centers/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-smartphones-china/samsun...

Cultural and racial animosity is VERY much part of real life – Keeping, and/or losing face is a very big part of most Asian culture. Chinese – South Korean diplomatic relations BEGAN in 1992 – that is less than 30 years ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93South_Korea_relations

I assume you have not visited the Far East very much….as far as the people – China is not run by ‘the people’ if you have not heard…it is run by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). If they don’t want Samsung LH351D’s in Chinese manufactured flashlights – I’d be willing to bet that you would be ‘discouraged’ from putting Samsung LH351D LEDs in anything. Unless that was approved by the party either directly or indirectly. The tail does not wag the dog.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-and-control-ch...

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Tumbleweed48 wrote:
admit it, three days after the light shows up it’ll be on the shelf with the other 40 lights we don’t use

I think this one is an exception in that in many cases, possibly most, it will take over EDC duties from other lights.

YMMV, of course. However, I can say that, at least for me, my other lights haven’t gotten much use since Dec 2017 when I got my first FW3A prototype.

It’s pretty crazy that things are taking so long to go to production though… that was 15 months ago. I’m pretty sure I’ve never had a light be my primary EDC for that long before. Some have come close… the L3 L10-219 stuck around for a relatively long time. And if I count my Olight S1 Ti, S-Mini Cu, and S-Mini Ti as one light, I carried those for a long time too. But now I mostly just keep the FW3A on me, and I don’t really feel the need to bring anything else unless I think I’ll need a thrower. It’s a pretty good little general-purpose light stick.

But as stated, your mileage may vary. I’m biased, since I tend to like stuff I made (or helped make) more than I like off-the-shelf stock items.

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I’m anxious to have the flashlight. Big Smile

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tundraotto wrote:
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tundraotto wrote:
I think it stems from the fact that Samsung is South Korean (Racial & Cultural Animosity) and that Samsung does not have a LED plant(s) in China (Import duties? Prohibitions?)….

Lol Samsung, LG and all the other electronics producers in Korea wouldn’t be around if “cultural animosity” was a real issue and people somehow cared about it more than running a business. Where do you think most of their production (or assembly at least) is located?

Most is by far in South Korea, I am surprised there is any in China.

Number of production centers isn’t indicative of percentage of total production

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/about-us/manufacturing-centers/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-smartphones-china/samsun...

Cultural and racial animosity is VERY much part of real life – Keeping, and/or losing face is a very big part of most Asian culture. Chinese – South Korean diplomatic relations BEGAN in 1992 – that is less than 30 years ago!

The ROK govt’s official stances aren’t indicative of the feelings of all South Koreans, let alone a major electronics manufacturer, AKA an organization with the first priority of making profit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93South_Korea_relations

I assume you have not visited the Far East very much….as far as the people – China is not run by ‘the people’ if you have not heard…it is run by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). If they don’t want Samsung LH351D’s in Chinese manufactured flashlights – I’d be willing to bet that you would be ‘discouraged’ from putting Samsung LH351D LEDs in anything. Unless that was approved by the party either directly or indirectly. The tail does not wag the dog.

I’m positive the CCP has bigger concerns, but if you can share any evidence of them taking such a petty approach to components used in products there on the basis on national origin/ownership I’d be interested in seeing it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-and-control-ch...

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BlueSwordM wrote:
I mean, Barry did say they found a Samsung LH351D supplier.

So, that means a large company like Lumintop shouldn’t have any problems, right?

First he asked for help here, then ISTR you gave him a lead.

Then IIRC he basically brusquely told you that he had it sorted and didn’t need your help. Instead of a polite thank-you. Charming.

Now it seems he did nothing.

(I may have mis-remembered the details, but that was the gist).

Now the latest surprise that sourcing the Carclo optics is proving a problem. Doh!

They could always call Carclo in the UK and ask to source them direct, or ask them for leads to serious suppliers who have them or can get them. Even just scrape a handful together to get things moving, and final final, very much final production standard prototypes sent to the key people for a final confirmation, using the real final LEDs, not just the random ones scraped together so far to get something out to a handful of key people.

Once you are at proto 5 with some things still not quite right, you have to question whether things will converge, or basic competency. Or look on the bright side, and hope that it will be absolutely perfect, the best thing ever.

Rare, IME.

The cautious may still delay ordering until user feedback appears from early adopters, the more eyes the better. Paid dividends for Q8 buyers, after Wim bravely stopped the line on the first batch, and insisted many things unexpectedly done wrongly by the manufacturer doing their own thing were fixed before the second run.

I’d have been gutted to get one from the first run.

Hopefully distribution and interest list management will run more smoothly than previous efforts from Lumintop. Doubtless that is all in place and will run like a smoothly oiled machine, lessons having been learned.

Procurement/buying seems not to be a strong point here. Last minute efforts, broken promises, unexpected surprises. It’s not as if they haven’t had all the time in the world to get their ducks in a row and push the buttons in good time. Lack of commitment, or just incompetence, or attempted penny-pinching.

Basic stuff, once a supplier gets a hint that you are desperate, and there are few if any others, naturally the price goes up for rare parts. Consequences of dithering, failure to commit, or not having a long-standing ongoing relationship.

Very disappointing, and dare I say unprofessional. Asleep at the wheel. Had hoped for better.

What will be the next surprise/excuse ?

Rant off.

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I think 5 prototype builds might be overkill. The impression I got was all they needed to do to fix the latest build was make sure the cut for the driver was wide enough for the driver. Do that and it should be ready.

Sourcing several thousand Carclo optics for a manufacturing run is not the same thing as you or I going onto a parts shop and buying a few optics. I assume this is a problem that will get fixed in the near term.

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I think 5 prototype builds might be overkill. The impression I got was all they needed to do to fix the latest build was make sure the cut for the driver was wide enough for the driver. Do that and it should be ready.

Sourcing several thousand Carclo optics for a manufacturing run is not the same thing as you or I going onto a parts shop and buying a few optics. I assume this is a problem that will get fixed in the near term.

Entirely predictable and should have been managed.

Carclo, or others, don’t have machines and moulds standing idle just waiting for orders, they predict demand (probably minimal) for these optics, maybe run a small batch once a year, in a day, to supply distributors who have committed to purchase them.

Moulds also wear out, and decisions are taken whether to bother re-making them or just obsolete the product.

Customers with a good relationship are given notice of these decisions, and offered e.g. “last time buys” to stock up.

Not saying this is the case here, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Carclo could explain what’s going on, if contacted properly.

Meanwhile their machines are dedicated to their serious business, e.g. streetlights, factory and warehouse luminaires etc. R+D, that brings in the big money.

If they have a big order for these keeping them busy, the esoteric little old small margin small volume things won’t be considered.

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Another thing: I think the most popular of these Carclo triple optics is the narrow spot 10507. But for this light, the designers opted to use a different Carclo optic with wider beam and frosted front. It is possible that the supply of the optic they chose is much more limited.

At this point I’d rather they just release the light using whatever emitters and optics are available. If I don’t like the emitter or optic I’ll swap in different ones on my own.

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Tom Tom wrote:
BlueSwordM wrote:
I mean, Barry did say they found a Samsung LH351D supplier.

So, that means a large company like Lumintop shouldn’t have any problems, right?

First he asked for help here, then ISTR you gave him a lead.

Then IIRC he basically brusquely told you that he had it sorted and didn’t need your help. Instead of a polite thank-you. Charming.

Now it seems he did nothing.

[…]
Rant off.

You seem so eager to rant that you even “confuse” the names! Barry is from Sofirn… :ARROW-RIGHT:

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MascaratumB wrote:
Tom Tom wrote:
BlueSwordM wrote:
I mean, Barry did say they found a Samsung LH351D supplier.

So, that means a large company like Lumintop shouldn’t have any problems, right?

First he asked for help here, then ISTR you gave him a lead.

Then IIRC he basically brusquely told you that he had it sorted and didn’t need your help. Instead of a polite thank-you. Charming.

Now it seems he did nothing.

[…]
Rant off.

You seem so eager to rant that you even “confuse” the names! Barry is from Sofirn… :ARROW-RIGHT:

Yes, I wondered about that.

Is it not Neal ? (enough said…). I was particular not to name names, being unsure. It was BSM who named Barry, presumably incorrectly.

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Tom Tom wrote:

Yes, I wondered about that.

Is it not Neal ? (enough said…). I was particular not to name names, being unsure. It was BSM who named Barry, presumably incorrectly.

No, Neal is working in this project with Lumintop; Barry is from Sofirn.

Also, to frame this, I will quote from here:

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So, since LH351D well-binned ordering options are quickly evaporating …

It should probably be mentioned that BlueSwordM is talking to Digikey independently, and Neal seems to have already ordered from a different supplier weeks ago.

And honestly, I guess we don’t need to get into more details! The things that are missing will be probably solved (leds, optics), taking more or less time. All that helps finding solutions in articulation with Lumintop and the team, is probably welcome. More than that…I believe not so much, specially considering our inherent expectation (or delusion, in some cases).

tatasal and ToyKeeper are keeping us updated when possible!! It is better to let them bring the news than speculating and throwing stones to the Universe! :ARROW-RIGHT:

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