Which brand do you think is most durable? Your life depends on it and so does your family.

“Maglites are very reliable if you never use them” LOL My favorite quote. Same thing with dragsters too. LOL :smiley:

6 rounds in the mag tube and 4 rounds in the integral stock … for special occasions only.

Nice The matching C-Coat looks great. My next shotgun will be the M4.

Go get some good tactical training, it’s clear you have very little. I’m not trying to insult you or anything. Take it from Olight the tail switch does not override the E-lockout. Which could mean the difference in a high stress situation. Fractions of a second usually mean you loose your life.

That’s the WHOLE point!

In a life or death struggle, you can’t say to the bad guy “wait until I get my light in order before you kill me”.

Best true EDC tactical light in my opinion is my Malkoff Bodyguard. Not cheap but extremely dependable and will most assuredly get the job done when called upon. No brainer tail switch UI with plenty of lumens to place on target … check it out.

Unless i checked the light myself (solderjoints, wires, assembly. . .) i would not trust any of them with my life.
You will find bad assembled lights, wrong screws, bad solderjoints, potential shorts from sharp edges. . . from all companys regardless how much money you pay.
It has a reason why parachutist wrap their parachute themself. If your live depends on it, there are not a lot of people that you can trust like you can trust yourself.

Sorry didn’t mean to come across accusatory, I just meant that in regards to bypassing the Olights poorly designed lock-out feature you do have the option to twist the tailcap to lock the light out and then instead of waiting for the E-lockout you could just twist it closed to unlock your light.

I thought that’s what you meant by the tailcap twist but I also believe you might have been referring to tactical lights that have a tailcap twist as their lockout function by design?

yes we’re both in agreement Olight made a poor choice with their E-lockout but bypassing the E-lockout by unscrewing the tailcap could solve that problem don’t you think?

lol I’m also from Canada so you never know… If you ask nicely enough the perpetrator might just let you unlock your tactical flashlight

Well, you can. Then pummel him to death with the light once he’s incapacitated by uncontrollable laughter. :laughing:

Hey you must’ve gone to the same tactical training school as me!

Not really, do you think you could remember what mode you were in before you unscrewed your tailcap while fending off an attacker or confronting an invader in your home?

I lived in Canada as well (I’ll be watching the HABS tonight) for a couple of years, my mom was born there, and I still have family there.

PS Paul Byron must have been trying to unlock his M2R in the game against Florida the other night. I guess that’s because Weegar’s not from Canada :person_facepalming:

I don’t agree. First, I just have to point out that I’m switching topics from flashlight to weapon light, and neither of which is a perfect substitute for the other. Second is that while it’s hard to make the case that a weapon light is undesirable (although there are certain negatives, like weight while carrying it and an extra thing you train yourself to do, while drawing, before pulling the trigger), I just don’t think it’s necessary, at least not all the time. I also don’t think it’s practical to identify a target “100%” to shoot back — what if they are wearing masks or motorcycle helmets, for example?

In the dgu’s I’ve read about and seen videos of, the attackers confront their victims on the street, in a store, at the victim’s home, usually somewhere where they can make a quick escape from with easy access to a street, and the same aggression by the attacker that prompts the would-be victim to draw his weapon makes the victim’s need to use the weapon just as unmistakable.

Now if you want to talk about some of the raids that police or military do, going into a dark house or bunker with a team, I’m not going to say the same thing at all. Of course that’s a totally different situation with different requirements and different objectives. But you did start the thread talking about my life and my family — none of which are police or military. Flashlights are neat and handy tools, but I wouldn’t stake my life on one of them unless I changed professions, and even then, I’d want to have some sort of back up system.

Good luck tonight! 1 point out for the last wild card in the East will be a big battle!

The M2R has an electronic tail switch which only has two modes and has to be changed with a 2-step process. It comes stock set as:
half press on tailswitch = momentary turbo
full press on tailswitch = turbo on
the other mode (which I leave mine in)
half press on tailswitch = momentary turbo
full press on tailswitch = momentary strobe

so in the event of an emergency you’d have to twist the tailcap then smash the tailswitch and you’d be guaranteed either full turbo or strobe

That’s why I was confused nobody liked the M2R. The lockout sucks but I thought the tailswitch design was great - when lurking in the dark I consciously half press the tailswitch and I’ve got turbo but under a stressful situation and I can’t think I just mash the button, hold it down and I’ve got strobe with no fiddling about what so ever

Very valid points. That’s a very tough call

Imagine coming home to what’s supposed to be an empty house and you hear rustling inside. Do you immediately go investigate guns drawn?
———This exact situation resulted in a US man shooting his 8 year old daughter who got home early and hid in the closet to scare her parents. 100% confirmation of the target with a flashlight could’ve easily prevented that

I imagine if it was the middle of the night and you heard sounds of an obvious B&E that having guns drawn would be exactly the position you’d want and 100% identification would be less concerning.

For the obvious B&E WML makes sense
For investigating noises at night kind of situations I’d go flashlight with weapon holstered or at the ready

In an emergency, I absolutely hate the idea of having several different way to turn on a flashlight. My wife is already complaining about having to learn what flashlight has what type of button and how it works, never mind an emergency.

I promised her that I will take all the old flashlights out of regular circulation and replace them with one, all around light.

At work, I use to run firedrills twice a year. My simplest DEMAND is……get the f* out the building and collect in the front parking lot so we know if everybody is out. KISS is the ultimate safety default.

I’m not in a high crime area and we have a huge restriction on handguns. In fact, even if one has a restricted firearms licence, which I do, the last thing you want to do is use a handgun. Up here in the land of bullcrap progressive utopia, it is socially (but not legally) seen as a “premeditated”. So a pump shotgun is the best option. Which regardless, IS the best option when loaded with #4. But then, you need two hands on the shotgun.

The fine point of it all is, since I know my house like nobody else, particularly what is probably going to be a coke head breaking in, do I want to give away my position with a flashlight? I will have my full night vision and they will have a full 12 gauge pointed at them.

With two in the house and no unexpected guest, that is “almost” the best option. But what if my wife is not in bed? Do I pull out the Q8? Which means the end of my night vision? And there is no way to hold a shotgun and ANY flashlight.

So i’m off to the races with mounting a light on the barrel of a pump action. Hand’t thought it out until now. Of course, it could also be construed that my “hunting” shotgun was really intended as a self “defense weapon”. Which I’m fine with that. I rather be judged by twelve then carried by six.

I’m glad I don’t live somewhere where the threat of a perpetrator is a rational/viable/reasonable/likely scenario to be brought up constantly.

I think there could be… just don’t expect to hit your target or keep your teeth! lol just use it like a really loud cap gun

So do I….until the Friday afternoon when a guy tried to get through the livingroon window in one of the “safest” neighborhoods. Or multiple attempted break in the plant, which my insurance demanded I have bank level smart alarm system. Or me having to drive over for the 10pm employee change because I had several woman working there and concerns. AGAIN in a “safe” area.

Tell you what, if you think we are that safe up here, I will take you for a walk in some areas of Toronto……or Montreal.

So please, we may not be as dangerous as south Chicago, but we are far from arrogantly pointing fingers.

I don’t think it is for many of us either. it’s more of a what-if scenario that our flashlight addiction can help solve if ever needed

koziy

Wait until MS13 moves into your neighborhood.

You keep missing the point. The light not only identifies the person, but also if the person is armed and with what (what type of threat). If someone comes into my house at 0:dark30 with a gun or machete, it won’t matter what he’s wearing (it better be bullet proof) I’ll be 100% sure he is armed and is a threat and not someone with Alzheimer’s who was confused or a drunk going into the wrong apartment.