Sorry didnāt mean to take the thread off topic. However as I have been personally effected by knockoff products both in the example I gave above and other instances that I wonāt go into as I think my point was made. So when the first comment after I posted about an original knife that I had just watched they designerās story about the pride he takes in his work was āGood idea for a knife. But the chinese will be selling clones in a few months for much cheaper.ā I felt like the point of my post was missed.
Back on topicā¦
I worked out a trade and this Shirogorov AND one other knife (will be picking it up this weekend) are now mine. So hereās my pocket dump for today.
I carry a little SOG Micro2 on my keyring, on 3rd so far.
In pocket, WAS always a Puma, usually the Prince when out shooting.
with a Martiini on belt. Second Prince same Martiini.
Nowadays. I buy and carry ANY knife I like the look and feel of.
regardless of itās name stamped on there.
At present a Y-Start with D2 blade or a Firebird F753M. 440c blade.
Either do a good job and my $30 in ā84. ($360 nowadays) Puma,
sits on shelf at home.
Plus. They both better to use than the Traditional Puma blade style
Clip point.
I find certain models of the good quality āclonesā, are as good as.
and even better than some of the full priced Names items.
Why pay $200 to $800 and more, for a beautiful looking thing you darenāt carry round in your pocket. OR use.
In case you scratch it.
When the good quality Chinese clones do All jobs well. and if it scratches.
So what.
They a perfect match. Use Clone. look at custom. Best of both worlds.
When you go back 50/60/70 yrs, We are soooo lucky nowadays.
Fark the āgood old daysā.
They were pretty hard. believe me.
Excellent. I donāt know what you traded but whatever it was I think you got a great knife. One of my favorites from the ones I have seen from you so far.
Because itās a stolen design. There are tons of affordable options out there that arenāt stolen.
I do wish more makers would team up with knife companies to bring their designs to market at lower price points. This could stop the clones, and put some money in their pocket for their designs.
There will ALWAYS be ācopiesā on just about all things.
the ways of the human being.
Same as there will ALWAYS be buyers of such.
The better quality versions and the cheaper ones.
People like myself. IE Old farts and on Pension.
NO more financial income as such.
Can.This way. Appreciate the finer things in life.
At OUR price ranges.
The market covers itself from both ends.
and as long as such are identified as Clones/Copies.
Itās NOT really such a bad thing Really.
Thereāll always be both ends of any market.
Just appreciate the level you at I reckon.
I used to have Winchester 101 Pigeon Grade O/U. and Rem 870 shottieās
with multiple custom Rifles.
Nowadays. A BRNO .22 bolt. Still does the job. Just.
There ARE some very well made knives around under $30.
A fair few people use them for working with.
While keeping the ānamedā ones in a box???
So they wouldnāt scratch it or wear blade out.
Could never understand that myself.
I used to use my Pigeon Grade for bunny shooting. (and foxes)
Just to use it. Also the 30-06.
You can hit running rabbits/Hares. You can hit any moving target.
The guy driving the car goes to jail with the bank robber.
The buyer of the stolen design is complacent to the crime. The designer has a retirement plan to ya knowā¦ if one does not set themselves up to afford the finer things in life then the appreciation thereof is simply unobtainable. It is what it is.
Wow, after reading all of these moralising whinning & preaching it feels like being on Bladeforums and thatās not a compliment!
What will the next step be? Not being allowed to say any negatives about the products of the paying sponsors of the forum?
Anyway back to the topic, Iām EDCing this Ganzo G729 on this pleasent Sunday afternoon just because it makes me glad!
Might as well throw my 2 cents in concerning copies, clones, fakes, & such.
āMy standardsā for purchasing Chinese Knives: . (ymmv)
1. If a Chinese company falsely uses the name or trademark of another company on their knife, box, &/or paperwork it is a complete fake & thievery.
Not a ācloneā or ācopyāā¦ just a fake.
Personally I would never knowingly buy one of these.
2. A 100% exact copy of a known design, but not using the Original Companies name.
I personally am not going to knowingly buy one of these either. But, that being saidā¦. I am fairly familiar with all things Benchmade so recognizing a BM copy is not gonna be a huge problem. However, I am not that familiar with most other folders by different companies. And I am not going to do massive research to try & determine if something I like may be a copy.
3. Knives āinspiredā by other designs but not copies.
I have no problem buying any of these. If you get right down to it most knives are inspired in some way by other knives.
4. Original designs.
I feel the same as rcwiily , I have no problem buying them at all.
You need to get the Genuine. Original. VERSION of THIS GoComma!!
The fit nā finish of this knife is comparable to ANY knife I own, and I own more than a few!
The only thing lacking on this knife is the pocket clip. It is a bit wonky but with a couple of strategically placed bends it works pretty good.
It is advertised as D2 steel. I have not verified that, but I have verified it has great edge holding properties. It is hollow ground blade.
In different sales I have paid from $8.99 to $10.99 for this knife. They were $9.26 yesterday & were $11.99 when I just checked.
Yeahā¦ to any doubters, I know full well it is a Chinese knife & that it sells for super cheap. But that does not change what I have written about it. It is the best deal on a decent knife I have ever run across.
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And if you want a good light duty āgentlemens knifeā, THIS NO-NAME seems to be a āGenuine. Original. VERSIONā also.
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Fit nā finish is excellent. Blade is San Mai damascus. A very neat little pocket knife. Highly recommended tooā¦ by me.
That is correct DBSS. :+1: ā¦ IIRC It expired in 2007.
Also, I āthinkā I remember the Spyderco āHoleā is part of their Trade Markā¦ so it never expires. āThinkā is the key word in that statement howeverā¦
I do know that many years ago Benchmade made a few folders that used the Hole and they paid Spyderco royalties for the privilege. :+1:
I also ordered one of those GoComma flippers based on your feedback. I hope it will arrive soon.
I remember the big drama when Benchmade released the original version of the Skirmish. That was a very serious dispute over the number of holes, their sizes and the order of them. :person_facepalming:
I really liked the look of the 1st version. Itās interesting how the added 4th hole changed the overall look of that knife.
Iām grateful that none of the automobile makers patented the wheel. I would hate to drive a car with oval or rectangular wheelsā¦
You must be quick because theyāre getting rare. My camo version can be considered as a ālimited editionā, āspecial editionā or ālimited runā now using the vocabulary of the prestigious manufacturers for charging extra 50 bucks.