I never witnessed a vent myself but I read about a few. One was inside a flashlight others were outside. With that one the user tossed a flashlight together with some branches into a fire. Outside? Yeah, there were more, I remember one that caused serious burns.
But anyway: forcing muggles to use external chargers is not training. Any muggle can charge AA cells and from user perspective charging Li-Ion is not any different, except that some will fall into the “it doesn’t fit my charger” problem.
If you want them to be safe, the first step is to supply them with a quality charger and quality cells. The next step is to add a protection circuit to the cell. The last - to prevent users from removing the cells.
I don’t propose that E07 or any other enthusiast light goes this way - but if safety is the priority, I believe this is the right way.
I honestly doubt there is any quality difference between those. Anyway, charging lithium cell is super simple, any cccv module with termination can do that. Compared to that, charging “ordinary” NiMH properly is a rocket science. If you want something more, next safety feature in line is temperature monitoring which usually is not present at any cheap to medium priced chargers, definitely not in most of them (if any). I did not see the pictures of that charger that FF sells as E07 optional accessory, but I really doubt it’s better than any other CCCV (pennies worth) charger.
True.
Adding a charger makes a light bigger. As already stated it affects waterproofing. Modding such light can be harder. Yeah, it’s not a pure win and I see why some don’t want it.
It adds advantages on its own and I believe both convenience and safety are among them.
But is it right?
I’m afraid the answer is “it depends”.
As of now we have a choice, there are many lights that come with charging but still many that don’t. I like it like that.
I wouldn’t have bought this light if it had USB charging. The Astrolux is ugly and bulky looking but if someone wants charging they have that as an option.
I’m not against it on all lights. The Astrolux FT03 I got isn’t so bad with USB charging but the light is already big so it adds no size overall. It’s also a light I could see myself leaving a battery in and not wanting a higher or lower drain/capacity battery for some period of time. Still, even in this light, I feel it’s very waterproof and flush but my finger catches the tag edge of the stupid silicone cover every time i grab the light.
Here’s a thought…… Instead of ’dumbing down’ a Li Ion light so you can
“give it to a muggle”, e-d-u-c-a-t-e them on the safe use of Li Ion lights. Or, as DB Custom said; “let them remain muggles”.
Give them a AA light. Not everyone should have or own a Li Ion light.
To dumb down a good light with USB charging (or others bells & whistles) so as to muggle or idiot proof it is ridiculous in my opinion.
It would be somewhat like limiting every 4 wheel vehicle on the roads to 89 horsepower so they would be safer for everyone to drive.
R-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s. :person_facepalming: :person_facepalming: :person_facepalming: <— Yep, a triple face palm.
Either educate or do not gift Li Ion…. simple as that.
And for ‘flashaholics’ who actually desire USB charging on a high power Li Ion light…… I personally am at a loss for words. :person_facepalming: . :innocent:
Well it was on the official website on the banner for a while E07 IV, it is supposed to be somewhat refined manufacturing, but no usb charging as far as I know…
I do not understand the big resistance against usb charging, it seem to work perfect on those devices that have it. that usb charge circuit board cant add much space, if the people who talk loud about it please post how big it is and and then give us an argument that its not work to add a non-noticeable size difference.
If my Manker E14 II which is super small and power can have have usb charging then I think E07 have no problem to have it. Same with Acebeam EC65 it works perfect. One of the biggest benefit is that I can charge the flashlight in the car.
I think there is benefits in safety too, cause many people will buy from china dangerous charges and maybe counterfeit, to have a built in charger would mean people don’t need to risk to buy a dangeorus charger, also if it becomes a explosion I rather have tha battery inside the tube then open in the air, it will for sure reduce the damage.
Also economically it will be cheaper. E07 does not come bundle with a charger, 55 dollars is good price but if you have to buy a charger too including shipping etc you will end up paying more money.
Its a lot easier to just put in a cable rather then having the to unscrew the tube and put batteries in the charger. I think what ever people think usb charging is the future for many reasons. I can understand that many flashoholics dislike it cause they have their super good chargers with LCD displays that of course is better then a built in one but I think the need for external charger will get smaller and smaller… as usb charging become standard.
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The reason I loke usb charging is not only because it is muggle friendly but convenient to bring on trips so I dont have to bring a separate charger. Im travelling in Europe right now and decided not to bring the E07 because it has no usb charge.
The EC65 is the smallest 21700 light I own and I have many 21700 lights. The EC65 is very refined with usb c charge. Therefore I dont understand why everyone thinks usb chargeq makes the light so much bigger.
Yeah…and aside from having charging it actually supports 21750 cells which gives it a 5mm disadvantage over some competitors.
But sometimes it does add size. Smaller lights…Ones that desire it on a separate PCB (to make changing the main driver)…Extremely compact lights (FW3A)…
People make a huge stink over the safety of lithium ion batteries and built-in chargers but I bet most people here carry a Li-ion-powered smartphone in their pocket every day and plug it into different chargers throughout the day. It all comes down to the quality of components used.
The reasons I’m not fond of USB charging in a flashlight are because it usually adds size and usually compromises the waterproofing. But even that’s not always true. Everybody is familiar with the relatively new to the market 10180 flashlights, like the Maratac Peanut or the Olight i1r, for example. Those have built-in USB charging and if the charging functionality adds size, the flashlights still end up being some of the smallest 130 lumen lights on the market. Also, the way that USB charging is implemented can be perfectly waterproof, too. The Acebeam H30 headlamp, as another example, hides the charging port under the threads at one end, which is sealed up with an o-ring. If you never charge it via USB, you never have to unscrew that cap.
I see both sides of the USB argument, but I call BS on the issue of the E07 not being big enough, or USB charging adding to its size. The smallest flashlight that I own is the Helius Sigma vi, and they managed to include USB charging on it.
