What kind of stupid straw argument is that? If you don’t know what a straw argument is, look it up.
There is no such thing as ANY battery ANYWHERE in ANY vehicle lasting even a 1/3 of the high mileage cars and trucks. NONE . ZERO. Not even phony big fish stories and wild imaginations of online fan boys.
Meanwhile there are literally millions of cars/trucks with high mileages everywhere on the planet.
One more thing that is still a fantasy in the battery world……Mercedes cars normal is a maintenance list for 241,000 km service. Routinely surpassed by either gas or diesel. I actually sold my ’95 in ’05 with 400k and he drove it 70k a year until it started to get serious rust.
Vast majority of cars are scrapped because of rust, accidents or people getting bored of them, rarely for worn out engines.
The fact is that it was about the life of the batteries, not the cars, it was stated they would only last a short time, well just replace the batteries just as the internal combustion engine is replaced.
“rarely for worn out engines” that is because the engines are replaced.
It seems you are a bigger fan boy of polluting internal engines than I am of electric cars.
Nuff said, Im outa here.
Cheers David
Edit:- Jay Leno’s 1909 Baker Electric still operates on its original Edison cells, that’s 110years!!
What are you talking about?
Nobody is interested in your experience with 25yo car with engine mechanics that was actually developed in 50-60th. You even wont be able to use this old dirty station in EU and many other countries.
Choose any modern euro-6 engine, and I will try to share some real statistics.
Again, you have no info about output of this 400-500k mileage engines. You just dont care.
Toemato Tohmahto. The cheapest I got this year was $1.77/Gal. Thought I had time traveled. I honestly couldn’t care less because I drive like a maniac and my mpg’s are due to suffer.
A friend of mine has 3 trucks with over 2 million miles each and they are all running as of today. I don’t think you will get that out of a set of batteries.
I’m not sure that is completely true yet, when you consider power to weight. You also need to consider battery weight with the weight of the motor.
Also, most of the world doesn’t have access to (fish killing ) hydro electricity like Quebec, and uses coal fired generators to produce electricity to charge batteries. So how much does that really help anything.
Engine life, I rebuilt a Ford 300 (4.9) 6 cylinder for a 1980 F100 that lasted 22.5 years before it developed a rod knock and the 2nd auto trans lost 3rd gear. Found a 86 F150 with a four speed manual on the floor to replace it. This truck has same engine (4.9) but has a rod knock so I baby it till I can pull and replace with another I rebuilt for my work van. Been knocking on start up till oil pressure builds up, has been for the last seven years but gets almost 18 MPG, not bad for a 33 year old motor with 240K on the clock. I change oil often, it is the life of the motor. So for me, electric vehicles, nah, I don't think they will last as long.
Are you able to get new modern and safe car with such motor?
How long youll be able to use your small car until you will catch people from some green political party that have organized miting right in the clouds from gas and oil that have not burned?
I wonder how conservative you are. Your experience is great for people from 50s. But if someone little younger searching car nowadays, he is not able to repeat your experience. They would like something smaller, faster and more safety, than track with tracktor engine. And 99% of cars that meet this conditions have aluminium engine block which can last 150-200k kms.
And this is common at least for last 20 years. I didnt want to leave this comment, but to prevent someone young who will read this thread and was ready to get new MB (and hoping it will last long) - no, they could last long when your grandfather was young.
- By default, ICE on a hybrid has same efficiency, as same ICE on a normal car so I agree.
- OTOH, on some hybrids (Or the most, Toyota), they use Atkinsons cycle ICE engines, which have a bit higher efficiency.
They are typically not used in normal cars, at least I don´t personally know a single one that uses. I have HEARD that some London cabs use it but I´m not at all sure.
- One thing that has been also tweaked for lower consumption, is the inf.variable transmission. ICE engine is kept as much as possible on the most efficient RPM range.
Losses on that kind of transmission are actually small. For reference, check WeberAuto on YT. I was surprised a bit about how small amount of parts go in there after all :o
- The other trick made available by electric-everything is, that when you lift gaspedal and COAST (not regenerating), in lower speeds, engine is off. That saves also SOME fuel, depending on where you drive.
(Normal ICE start/stop for traffic lights and such is pretty much in most vehicles today).
45mpg I agree on but on my car (old 2010 prius), it means I have to overspeed year round… I hate doing it because penalties here are, hrmmm, “high”. It kind of eats away the benefit of trying to save on gas if I take tickets After 2 years, 45mpg is ± the max that I have gotten out from it. I drive 80% or more highway but speed limits are here 50-62mph. Highest consumption is achieved in winter. Typically at around –4°F or colder.
You guys should not complain. Here in Brasil we’re paying 24$ a gallon of gas. I drive 40km a day to work, and I’m currently spending the equivalent of a month’s minimum wage in gas.