Unloco
(Unloco)
June 18, 2019, 9:39pm
11952
The time has come to resign a FW3A….
I was thinking of buying one SST-20 and one LH351D…
One FW3C that I already had in the cart…
I also think that for the next BLF project you should look for another manufacturer. A change of specifications on the fly and without notice… :-/
Firelight2:
To be fair, Lumintop delivered what was requested for the Group Buy.
Any changes they make after the group buy is done is up to them.
None of the SST-20 group buy lights have shipped yet.
Coscar
(Coscar)
June 18, 2019, 10:19pm
11954
It would be nice if Neal could provide a date when these changes started and if it actually applies to orders made before the changes were known. I dont think it should be “okay” for them to make changes to what we ordered.
Firelight2
(Firelight2)
June 18, 2019, 10:22pm
11955
Agreed. All orders placed before Lumintop changed the decscription on the order page to remove glass lens really ought to ship with the glass lens plus Carclo optic. Hopefully this change will only apply to orders after Lumintop announced the change.
teacher
(teacher)
June 18, 2019, 10:34pm
11956
Hopefully…. time will tell I guess.
I imagine Neal is as surprised & disgusted by this change Lumintop decided upon as most of us are.
I feel bad for Neal that Lumintop placed him in the lurch like this. It sux.
xevious
(Gary)
June 18, 2019, 10:58pm
11957
BlueSwordM:
Yep.
Not only is an all plastic optic+lens combo much more scratch prone, but the problem with the sapphire optic is that it’s less optically efficient than glass ones.
While an AR glass lens might achieve 98-99+ optical efficiency, a sapphire one might only get 90-92.
That’s quite the lumen loss.
I wonder if Neal can also offer a standard AR tempered glass in addition to the sapphire AR one? They exist, as they’re on the original… unless they were custom cut.
Firelight2:
While I would prefer the glass lens+carclo optic combo, I’ll happily order even with the new optic.
Fortunately, I already have a supply of Carclo 10507 optics and compatible AR-coated glass lenses from flashlightlens.com .
Closest I could find on that site is 22.61mm x 1.90mm. There’s also a 22.61mm x 0.95mm, which I guess could be useful for adding a GITD o-ring. There’s also a Borofloat Lens option too… which is similar to Pyrex with better clarity, but has a 5% transmittance loss over UCL.
raccoon
June 18, 2019, 11:01pm
11958
I wasn't so sure this thread would someday hit 15,000 posts...
But with self-inflicted controversies, anything is possible!
Lick
(Lick)
June 19, 2019, 12:02am
11959
You're "only" 11971. I doubt it will reach that number. Did you mean 10k?
raccoon
June 19, 2019, 12:11am
11960
No, with controversies like this, I believe 15k posts will be inevitable.
teacher
(teacher)
June 19, 2019, 12:20am
11961
Agreed…. only 3026 to go also.
“Lens Gate” will be good for many, many extra posts. .
As will ’Color Gate’, ’Material Gate’, and any other pending ’Gate’ that may arise .
Lick
(Lick)
June 19, 2019, 12:28am
11962
And if we continue to clutter it ;)
But looks like the coupon is gone, maybe lumintop just wanted to make the agreed amount of the flashlights for the price? I hope that I can get a rosy 219c instead of the SST20. Seems like they at least choose good bins.
contactcr
(contactcr)
June 19, 2019, 12:28am
11963
teacher:
Agreed…. only 3026 to go also.
“Lens Gate” will be good for many, many extra posts. . :+1:
As will ’Color Gate’, ’Material Gate’, and any other pending ’Gate’ that may arise .
I look forward to Gate Gate when they switch to a knockoff FET
teacher
(teacher)
June 19, 2019, 1:09am
11964
Yeah, all this is potentially bad enough…… but that will be the ‘icing on the cake’… :person_facepalming:
iamlucky13
(iamlucky13)
June 19, 2019, 1:40am
11965
Will that be before or after ditching 18650 support in favor of this tech…
https://www.hydralight.com/
…leading to Watergate. :smiling_imp:
I don’t think we count as much as we’d like.
This item is pimped everywhere.
teacher
(teacher)
June 19, 2019, 2:13am
11967
… Good one, I’ve never seen that before…
teacher
(teacher)
June 19, 2019, 2:16am
11968
I think your probably right …… . :+1:
BT100
(BT100)
June 19, 2019, 2:19am
11969
lumintop just made my decision between a FW3A and D4 much easier. FW3A is being downgraded, D4 is being upgraded.
saypat
(saypat)
June 19, 2019, 2:23am
11970
both worthy of possessing…
BlueSwordM
(BlueSwordM)
June 19, 2019, 2:37am
11971
Nah.
Only one is worthy.
One is making upgrades.
The other is downgrades.
IMO, they should’ve just kept the glass, and changed the optic, while telling us about the change.
There’s a much bigger difference between a worse design vs a change of part that doesn’t change much.