M4D M4X deals - Astrolux WP1 and WP2 LEP

Hi Martin! Any target date for the opening of this group buy?

Astrolux knows something about the SST-40 that we do not know: the FT04 makes 3000 lumen OTF on turbo, so that is about 3500 lumen from a single SST-40 led. Awesome!

So, now it's not only Lumintop and Amutorch but also Banggood/Mateminco/Astrolux who started to copy Olight's blue bezelring design. ;-)

Looks like Mateminco bought some residual stock material of HaikeLite's MT07S or they just copied their design. :-D

A proprietary charging connector with only 2A is a bit disappointing. It's the same situation with HaikeLite's new MT40 that also comes with a similar proprietary charger.

55°C stepdown from high is a bit on the conservative side but I like that the driver can step the power up again. 3.000 lumens out of one SST-40? I don't think so.

However, this one might be a nice host for a 3V XHP50.2 flashlight.

Why? :person_facepalming:

Should be 1800 to maybe 1900 lumen at most.

I was told 10A - so probably it's 3000 LED lumen?

better host (heatwise) than the FT03 for sure

and the FT04 is a new Haikelight cooperation

The SST40 maxes out at around 1800-1900 lumen OTF. This is around 10A. I don’t know why they post such a crazy number.

It’s a SST40, right? Same as in FT03?

No worries guys! Those ridiculous 3.000 lumens were just a typo. Instead, Mateminco was able to source an 11.000 (eeeeleven-thooouuusand!) lumens SST-40. :-D

So, I like this UI very much. When temperature reaches 55°C it steps up to 11.000 lumens. ;-)

I like HaikeLite's hosts for these are quite hefty. But at 10A the bonding wires of the SST-40 would burn. Djozz's sample died at 9.5A, koef3's sample at 9.4A.

Anything above 7.4A is considered to have a significant impact on its life expectancy, at least for the N4 flux bin.

Extra zero by mistake. Give them a few days at least to get the info sorted out.

It seems the FT04 is basically the same size head and emitter as the FT03, but with 3 x 18650 instead of 1 x 26650. So output and throw should be about the same. You could have double the battery capacity which means double the run times.

i like the design of the Haikelite over the Astrolux to be honest.
Yeah and no way a SST40 will produce 3000 Lm

groupbuy can be joined here:
https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/57431

which bin is used in the FT03?

Sorry, I’m not too familiar with Luminus bins.

Here is Djozz’s test on an average bin. This is not the highest bin and it’s also a bare LED on a power supply. Once inside a flashlight you get losses (maybe around 25%) that take that 2500 lumen down quite a bit.

I definitely would not imagine a bin change adding 600 lumen (from 2400 to 3000). Bottom line is that it’s a small led (2mm by 2mm die same as XM-L2 and XPL) and it’s output is limited. I’m curious to see if it’s output is higher than the FT03.

Remember that the FT03 was pushing the led pretty hard with high drain cells. People were concerned a high drain might burn it up. The FT04 has an even stronger battery setup. I think the smart battery to use is 3 high capacity cells like Samsung 35E as opposed to the stronger 30Q.

It’s still early days, though. We don’t know everything that has changed between the FT03 and FT04.

These are 3000 HaikeliteLumens. Easily doable with this LED.

I for sure dont, astrolux has their own design which is fine, now suddenly it looks like a HL light but with astrolux logo? and claims 3000 lumens is also not realistic … this is not good…

As M4D M4X said “the FT04 is a new Haikelight cooperation”

And i believe Astrolux is a Banggood brand that have/had products made by Manker, Mateminco and now Haikelight. So Astrolux changing designs is nothing new!
The 3000 lm is just the typical unrealistic bull :smiley:

I would argue that the FT04 is worse for batteries you can only use 18650s the FT03 you can use 3 different cells 18650s, 21700, 26650s,. Sure 3 18650s has more capacity but its probably not needed using the SST40 if it was upgraded to the XHP50.2 it would be ideal.

No, it’s not using the same LED.

It’s using the SST-40 P2 LED found in the Amutorch thrower from zeroair’s review.

It’s probably going to be doing 2800 lumens at startup, so about 2500 lumens OTF.

From the pics, it looks like 3P for battery… So I’m not sure how that makes it more “stable” other than slower voltage drain.

From what I’ve gathered over the years:

Mateminco is an actual manufacturer. They do machining, assembly, etc…

Astrolux and Manker have had some of their lights machined (maybe assembled) by Mateminco in the past. I’m not sure who makes the Haikelites. They probably had some machined/assembled by Mateminco as well.

Astrolux, Manker and Haikelite are like the “designers”. They come up with the idea and design, driver type, what led to use, etc…

I think some companies can have the lights machined my Mateminco then assemble the different components themselves. Whatever is cheaper based on the resources they have.

There is a lot of variation and it’s pretty confusing, but it’s why we see such similarities between brands.

Also keep in mind that “Mateminco” is the name the manufacturer uses for themselves. I don’t think we know the actual manufacturers real company name. I’ve never heard it mentioned.

Anyway, I wish Astrolux would consult with BLF to see whats popular and desirable instead of consult with Haikelite. I don’t think Haikelite knows what people want.

Just my opinion on all the above. I wanted to get it off my chest.