is there a light that will stop a atacking dog?

Interesting how all the people who actually encounter aggressive dogs on a regular basis for their jobs seem to have no trouble de-escalating situations without firearms. It is incomprehensible to me as a Canadian that someone would have not one, but two encounters where they felt the need to shoot a pet dog. Maybe up north where there are literal feral dogs roaming, but not in a residential area.

Holy cow that is a ginormous cat! I’d like to see pictures too. :laughing:

Here’s a 38lb cat I found on youtube: fat cat!

the wonderful lady next door keep her dog outside ina small crate covered with heavy blanket or she keeps it tied up on 5 foot or so chain

Once you see what a dog can do to someone in only a second or two you might change that view. I don’t want to be maimed for the rest of my life because some turd couldn’t be bothered to put their dog on a cable.

Friend of mine almost got her face ripped off by a beagle(!). Extensive surgery to have her lips sewn back into place.

You’d be surprised the kind of damage even little beasties can do in just seconds.

I know exactly what dogs are capable of doing. I’ve owned German Shepherds my entire life. I have dog friends involved in bite work and professional trainer friends who work with severe aggression cases and personally own several dogs who would be euthanized if they hadn’t taken them in. Dogs who are more wild animal than anything else. Every trainer I know has been bitten, some quite badly. None of them would consider routinely carrying a firearm in case they needed to shoot a dog even if it were legal. And that’s people working with dogs that would literally rip your throat out in a heartbeat, not someone walking their own dog in a regular neighbourhood.

I guess I don’t see the argument unless they have some other solution to a dog attack?

There’s a fair bit of difference in the neighborhoods BLFers live in I’d imagine, and the person you’re referencing did say he has been walking/running quite a bit over a long period of time.

Butt you are trained and the other trainers are used to being in close proximity with aggressive dogs. I worked in a position that I had to enter yards with unknown dogs and on occasion had to defend myself with whatever was at hand. I was only bitten three times and always from a backbiter who sneaked up on me quietly and then ran off. Never by an aggressive dog who transmitted his intentions and there were a lot of them. I always was able to stand my ground and transmit that I was just as intent on leaving that area with my skin intact. Butt I’m over 6 feet and was pretty athletic at the time.

At my current age and sedentary computer habits I doubt I could muster the same imposing competent posture and react to their attack feints and circling tactics. Many people have never had to do that before and would assume that the dog was attacking from the first charge and panic which only encourages more aggression. I was entering the dog’s domain and was aware of the danger. People on the street should not have to be subjected to a dog attack or more likely a belligerent display of aggression by a loose dog. Report any such display of aggression to authorities. They should realize the danger and act to prevent an escalation of the situation. That is their job, not yours.

It’s not my job to cater to people who can’t control their dogs. Pet dog or not shouldn’t it be up to the owner to make sure that their dog is under control?

BurningPlayd0h is correct. I am active on dogsbite.org and other dog attack victim sites. Now I am commenting in 18650 Flashlight Reviews about how after more than five decades of life on the hostile surface of this planet, living with evil people, how I have successfully kept hostility and evil away from me, and, finally, the hostility of the surface of this planet has attacked me in the form of my neighbors Shepherd breeds ambush charge attacking me in the residential neighborhood, twice, when walking 210 miles per month for 40 months for 8,000 miles.

There is nothing to exaggerate or be delusional about when twice, in 8,000 pedestrian miles in 3.5 years, Shepherd breeds ultra short range ambush attacked me with one tenth of a second to spare to successfully stop the attack. The dogs were not going to stop just in time. I did not want to suffer bodily harm.

40 months, 210 miles per month, I have called 40 times to the police to report at large dog. 95% of them were not immediate injury threats. 5% percent were. One out of 20. Two out of forty.

30 feet per second. One second to defend myself. One tenth of a second to spare.

When a dog ambush charge attacks me, the last second belongs to me, and no one else. The last few feet are all mine. That time and distance do not belong to the repeated at large sometimes unpredictable pedestrian aggressive dog owner.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the police.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the prosecutor.

That last little bit of time and distance do not belong to the people who have not walked 8,000 miles in my shoes, who think that I should just wait until the last thirtieth of a second elapses, and then wait in the gutter of the street for someone to call an ambulance for me while my blood runs down the street.

I am not required by law to risk very certain immediate injury for an aggressive, snarling, growling dog that is ambush charge attacking me.

In a quick-moving situation, where a dog is charging and preparing to attack, a person has the right to use deadly force.

It is lawful for a person to take lethal action before it is too late to successfully repel an imminent attack threat of death or great bodily harm.

If a reasonable person has reasonable reason to feel immediate fear of body harm, the person has the right to armed self defense. It is not relevant what the pro-pedestrian hospitalization people feel. The law centers solely on what the dog charge attack victim had reason to feel. Twice, I was very, very afraid. Thank God I had one tenth of a second to spare to avoid hospitalization.

35,000 reconstructive surgeries per year in the US from severe dog mauling, because someone thought the dog was not really going to severly maul someone.

A million surgeries per year in the US from dog mauling, because someone thought the dog was not really going to maul someone.

Infants and young children are the largest portion of maulings, because someone thought the dog was not really going to maul the infant or the small child.


This topic is located in 18650 Flashlight Reviews. Here are mine, in chronological order:

1. Four-Sevens MMU-X3. Oct. 2014, 1,600 lumens, I purchased from Sears Marketplace/Overstock. I did well selecting my first real light, this permanently classic item will be forever beloved by flashoholics. This light boldly demarcates the division between lights that are smaller than it, and lights that are larger than it.
Nice beam profile, too. Not all throw, and not all flood. A nice, usefull combination of both. There is no way that I could have picked a better item at that time, five years ago.

2. Niwalker MM15. Nov. 2014, 5,233 lumens, purchased from the friendly folks at Going Gear. [B]Selbuilt[/B]s' review of this item had me utterly transfixed for weeks. I could not take another breath until I had it in my hands. No classic collection is complete without this ground-breaking hand-held floodlight.

3. Eagletac SX25L3 kit. Feb. 2015, 2,375 lumens. From GG. I got this because Selfbuilt always included it in his comparative tables in his reviews, and because of
its power/size ratio. I love its "gadgety" feel and I also love the Eagletac build style/quality.

4. Noctigon Meteor M43vn XP-L dd. June, 2015, Approx. 7,400/8,400 lumens. My first [B]Vinh54[/B] light. When it dawned on me that GG was not going to carry this instant permanent classic, I frantically searched for another supplier and found Vinh54. Oozing gob-loads of cachet, this light will forever have its place at the pinnacle of
true classics.

5. Thrunite TN36UTvn spec 1. Jan. 2016, 13,400 lumens. The ceiling bounce monster of its time. I edced it for a few months. That's how excited I was about it. My most
"beat up" light, from work horse use.

6. MM15 MBvn spec 1. Feb. 2016, 9,000 lumens. The must-have successor to the original ultra classic MM15.

7. Olight S2 Baton. Feb. 2016 from GG. ~1,000 lumens. This item goes with me whenever I have my keys on me, because they are what it is attached to. Much used,
never a bobble.

8. Acebeam EC50vn spec 1. May, 2016; 3100 lumens. The item for max power in its size in Spring 2016. A small beginning of my attraction to the ground-breaking line
up from Acebeam.

9. Eagletac MX25L4Cvn XPL pdt kit. July 2016, nice beam profile, provided by the four non-overlapping reflectors. A great looker, too.

10. Fenix TK75vnQ70. Aug. 2016, ~16,000 lumens. I used it every night for a few months, and I was thrilled by it every moment. Currently the oldest light in my "A" list use line-up.

11. Acebeam K70vn. Sept. 2016, 2,471 lumens. Autumnn 2016 is when I surprisingly became amazed at dedicated throwers. I bought it just to have such an item, and I instantly became thrilled at what the beam does.

12. Acebeam X65vn spec 1. Dec. 2016, 11,500 lumens. I became super excited as soon as its specs were released months before the light itself was released. This light
has the beam performance that I always wanted from other lights that just can not do what this can do.

13. TN42 vn spec 1. Feb. 2017, 2,400 lumens. The logical successor to the awesome K70.

14. P60vn Quad XP-L HD 2 cell host Cryos Cu head. March 2017, 4,300 lumens. My smallest edc light. 4,300 lumens from a light in its size class: Not bad at all.

15. Acebeam X65vn spec 1. March 2017, 11,200 lumens. Not being content with the first one that Vinh got, I needed another one of these superlative beam generators
for my other hand. If you want to feel what it's like to be at the outer limits of the hand held led universe, fire up one of these in each hand, and you
will feel that feeling.

16. Manker MK34vn spec 5. April 2017, 7,650 lumens. In its time, it was the item that had the perfect balance of max power for its size.

17. TM06Svn XHP50.2. May 25, 2017, 9,800 lumens, currently the item that is the perfect balance of max power for its size. Ultra limited edition,
only two will be made.

18. Acebeam X45vn XHP70.2. June 19, 2017, 25,000 lumens. I requested and received the KG Tuning specimen from Vinh. This item is much brighter that the Fenix TK75vnQ70.

19. Imalent R90TS. July 16, 2019. 36,000 lumens. 18x XHP35, 8x 21700 Samsung 40T, two fans,

I purchased the stock version Imalent R90TS from Vinh54. My main area of interest is beam profile/beam performance.

Beam profile similar to X65, but with a little more throw and some more beam width, and some more spill, with more lumens on the target at given range, but in the form of a larger hotspot. Ooops, this is not a 18650 light, so I posted in the wrong forum section. I blame my errror on stress due to barely surviving on the streets of Prescott, Az.

20. Acebeam K75Vn Spec 1. Sept. 3, 2019, 6,300 Lumens, 2,500 Meters, 1.57Mcd. The logical successor to the TN42. More throw, and more beam width than TN42. Vinh did no performance increase, but he tightened up some stuff.

I don’t know where you live or if your laws are the same as mine, but what you are saying is not correct:
Deadly Physical Force laws refer to use of force AGAINST A PERSON.
It is not per se illegal to kill an animal. Animals are slaughtered by the thousands every day for food. Hunters kill animals all the time. Some require a tag, some do not. In some places it is always open season on certain animals, no license required in your own property.
As to a dog, the issues are: If this is someone else’s dog, you could be charged with animal cruelty and destruction of property.
The bigger issue, if a firearm is involved, is whether you endangered any person by discharging a firearm, whether there were other people present, you were near an occupied dwelling or building, etc. For THAT you may need to show justification.
But it is perfectly legal to take your dog to the vet and have it put down, and shelters kill dogs every day.
As well, we in Law Enforcement often encounter injured animals that have been struck by a car etc, and we put them down, but in a safe way.
So the discussion of “Deadly Physical Force” is totally misplaced. There is no force continum with an animal. If it is threatening you and is close enough to do harm, you can put it down. But the method is always an issue.

While the OP is thinking about which device will most help him, I wonder if one of these could protect his sacrifice arm while he uses whichever weapon on the dog, for instance to stabilize the dog to make it easier for his knife hand or shocking tool hand to do it’s work, or even a small pistol shot to the head if a gun is chosen.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=forearm+bite+protection

it is really putting me into a deep depression walking was helping me calm down then that dog came into my life. i have no other choice i have to walk buy this home

The dog kinda “knows “ you now . Try the treats . Might take a couple visits , but most likely he will come to be a happy to see you dog.

One of the most memorable quotes on this forum for me was “In my country we kick a dog ”.

I like the treat idea too. Most owners will ask you not to feed their dog . I’d smile and say ” sure no problem and continue to do it anyway ” Why not ? he’s not doing his job restraining the dog so why do you need to obey his commands .
I’m not sure I understand why you have to walk past this house or walk this way but would encourage you to move form such a lousy neighborhood.

For the folks offering legal advice, it’s important to remember that not every jurisdiction has the same laws as yours. OP needs to check his relevant State/County/City codes.

I guess possible solutions are:

  • Avoid the area if you know there are wild or aggressive dogs.
  • Carry treats. Most dogs can not resist a treat and after eating it became friendly. Me as a dog owner I dong like the idea of somebody giving something to my dogs. But by the other side
    i don’t leave my dogs wild. I have 2 Golden Retrievers.
  • Use pepper spray in case the dog became aggressive (not just barking became all dogs barks) but just in the last resourse.
  • Call the police in case a dog is a danger. Dogs owners are responsible keeping the dog fenced or inside the house.

All good advice. :slight_smile:

Arizona: "ARS: 13-3107 - Unlawful discharge of firearms; exceptions; classification; definitions:

9. In self-defense or defense of another person against an animal attack if a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force against the animal is immediately necessary and reasonable under the circumstances to protect oneself or the other person."

All jurisdictions in the US: In a quick-moving situation, where a dog is charging and preparing to attack, a person has the right to use deadly force.

The dogs ambush charged me while growling and baring their fangs, fully acting/showing that they immediately intended to immediately maul me. Therefor, I both felt and acted reasonably in using lethal force because it was an obvious and immediate threat of immediate bodily harm.

I ignored the flashlight defense part. I’m going on 26 years working as a LEO. Dogs are a part of my life, I’ve always had 2-3 at home at any point in my life. At work when were visiting a house we tell the owner to put them up in a room. If refused we call animal control. Until that point animal control is there we still conduct our jobs. It’s been done with pistols drawn because of the person or dogs. Dogs still live by instincts that human love to confuse. Act afraid or move away too fast and you’re now on the prey list. Talk to the dog, stand tall and proud, even walk towards him like it’s normal. Acted like your testosterone is bigger than his and you’re the alpha. No screaming, no yelling just a firm friendly voice. Most dog aggression is fear aggression. I witness lots of aggressive dogs with tucked tails not sure of what to do. I watch poor owners condition dogs to hate other people and dogs without knowing it. Watch that lady yanking on the lease when ever another dog or person is near. She in fear or confusion that her dog might bite. Dog just senses the fear when others are near. That painful yank is pain reinforcement of fear. Haven’t shot a dog yet. Have stood my ground and advanced on a few. Rescued a beautiful Lab/Shepherd mix that lived with us for the next 13 years she past last March. If you are walking your dog yanking on the lease as the other dog approaches the fear levels are there. STOP stand your ground ignore your dog for now and talk to the dog, stand tall and proud, even walk towards him like it’s normal. Still keep a grip on that pepper spray. If deployed wash your dog with lots of soapy water. Baby shampoo works well for decontamination.

If you are in real fear for your safety then shoot the dog before he bites. This “I have to be hurt first” is a load of #$%^. A furtive move is grounds enough.