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I'd been looking for a mini folder liner-lock knife with titanium scales. Found this little 2" D2 bladed thing on eBay (seller is jian2016). Price is about $18 after taxes (USA).

Wow!

Titanium and D2 for $18!

If it were an assisted-opener, I'd be all over that.

(Of course that's asking for a lot.)

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xevious wrote:

I’d been looking for a mini folder liner-lock knife with titanium scales. Found this little 2” D2 bladed thing on eBay (seller is jian2016). Price is about $18 after taxes (USA).



Wow! Titanium and D2 for $18! If it were an assisted-opener, I’d be all over that.

(Of course that’s asking for a lot.)

Well, look at it this way — for a 2” blade, assisted opening is really not necessary. Certainly not a defensive knife. I imagine if it were disassembled and washers replaced with something slicker, it might be possible to open one handed with little trouble.

But I have to say, for the price it’s a great deal. I just wish this seller wasn’t also offering fakes. Some knives are shown with Benchmade logos but title and description don’t say it. Others look like Kershaw clones. I avoid patronizing fake knife sellers. If they can make knives this good, I can’t understand why they just don’t make variations so they’re not clones.

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18USD sounds impossibly cheap, this must be a textbook example of corner cutting?

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teus wrote:
18USD sounds impossibly cheap, this must be a textbook example of corner cutting?
This is a tiny knife. Not much blade material. Titanium isn’t nearly as costly as it used to be, but marketing in some higher end areas gloss it up for price premiums. The frame of this knife is light. It’s not aluminum. It’s not stainless steel. It truly is titanium. As for the steel being true D2? I can’t confirm. However, it doesn’t feel as soft as 8Cr13Mov when I hone it. I haven’t tried a rust test (D2 may be very strong, but it is corrosion prone). But overall, the finish of the blade, the hollow grind shape, and the edging… it’s good quality.
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alright, I see. I really like my CRKT KISS, but the steel is too crappy for me. I wonder if the steel would be better.

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The grey version with ldt logo is much cheaper on Ali.

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isti242 wrote:
The grey version with ldt logo is much cheaper on Ali.

Is it real S35VN?

I once bought an LDT knife from that store on Aliexpress. It looked like a ZT knife and was stamped “Elmax”. It was an incredible bargain at only $12…

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teus wrote:
18USD sounds impossibly cheap, this must be a textbook example of corner cutting?
… As for the steel being true D2? I can’t confirm. However, it doesn’t feel as soft as 8Cr13Mov when I hone it. I haven’t tried a rust test (D2 may be very strong, but it is corrosion prone). But overall, the finish of the blade, the hollow grind shape, and the edging… it’s good quality.

D2 is a popular stamp for the same reason that reputable manufacturers like Bestech and Civivi keep making blades out of it. It sells. In the case of unscrupulous companies or questionable rebranders, the actual steel could be a lot of things. It could be junky 3Cr13Mov. It could be properly treated 8Cr13Mov. For $20 or less, the latter would still be a good deal. The problem is that we don’t get to know up front.

I finally finished my general-use testing of that “D2” Gocomma knife that was all the rage here a while back. Edge retention was surprisingly good but that doesn’t mean it was D2. During my week of testing, I actually noticed the same knife on a number of sites listed as the Petrified Fish CF-1815 in 8Cr13Mov. Based on my use, that would make sense for properly treated 8Cr13Mov with good edge geometry. At the $12 I paid for it under Gocomma, that’s a stellar deal. The Petrified Fish version comes in a few more colors and costs $16.99 but that’s fine. I just wish Gocomma had given us an accurate label.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32981069881.html

I’m still learning how to edit video and do YouTube but I’ll eventually have a review up for it. I’ll share it here when I do.

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D2 is a popular stamp for the same reason that reputable manufacturers like Bestech and Civivi keep making blades out of it. It sells. In the case of unscrupulous companies or questionable rebranders, the actual steel could be a lot of things. It could be junky 3Cr13Mov. It could be properly treated 8Cr13Mov. For $20 or less, the latter would still be a good deal. The problem is that we don’t get to know up front.
This is my first D2 knife and if there’s a telltale way to know it from honing, sharpening, & use, it’s unknown to me… other than D2 is supposed to be more difficult to sharpen than 8Cr13Mov due to greater hardness. It does feel like that on my honing rod. My inspiration to buy the knife wasn’t so much the blade material as the design, size, and titanium. And the body sure feels like it. If the blade is 8Cr13Mov that is properly heat treated, I really won’t mind. For the price, it was still worthwhile. I lubricated the pivot point and it smoothed out nicely. It’ll be interesting to see how it holds up over the long haul.
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Chronovore wrote:
isti242 wrote:
The grey version with ldt logo is much cheaper on Ali.

Is it real S35VN?

I once bought an LDT knife from that store on Aliexpress. It looked like a ZT knife and was stamped “Elmax”. It was an incredible bargain at only $12…

I have no idea. It would be hard to tell without testing it with an XRF alloy analyzer.

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teus wrote:
18USD sounds impossibly cheap, this must be a textbook example of corner cutting?
… As for the steel being true D2? I can’t confirm. However, it doesn’t feel as soft as 8Cr13Mov when I hone it. I haven’t tried a rust test (D2 may be very strong, but it is corrosion prone). But overall, the finish of the blade, the hollow grind shape, and the edging… it’s good quality.

D2 is a popular stamp for the same reason that reputable manufacturers like Bestech and Civivi keep making blades out of it. It sells. In the case of unscrupulous companies or questionable rebranders, the actual steel could be a lot of things. It could be junky 3Cr13Mov. It could be properly treated 8Cr13Mov. For $20 or less, the latter would still be a good deal. The problem is that we don’t get to know up front.

I finally finished my general-use testing of that “D2” Gocomma knife that was all the rage here a while back. Edge retention was surprisingly good but that doesn’t mean it was D2. During my week of testing, I actually noticed the same knife on a number of sites listed as the Petrified Fish CF-1815 in 8Cr13Mov. Based on my use, that would make sense for properly treated 8Cr13Mov with good edge geometry. At the $12 I paid for it under Gocomma, that’s a stellar deal. The Petrified Fish version comes in a few more colors and costs $16.99 but that’s fine. I just wish Gocomma had given us an accurate label.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32981069881.html

I’m still learning how to edit video and do YouTube but I’ll eventually have a review up for it. I’ll share it here when I do.


I see. thanks.
maybe in the future I’ll have permanent access to a XRF setup. that would rule out some things, but doesn’t tell everything. I see plenty of variation in D2 performance, when people test edge retention. that would be the heat treatment or something else.
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Another budget knife that had tickled my interest. AliExpress had a good sale on it (now back up to original price) so I took a shot. Will know in a few weeks. And yes, it’s a flipper, while seemingly devoid of a lock. No liner or frame lock. Wasn’t in description either. Btw, that slot feature looks like it could be a wire insulation cutter when blade is closed. Curious to try that out.

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Another budget knife that had tickled my interest. AliExpress had a good sale on it (now back up to original price) so I took a shot. Will know in a few weeks. And yes, it’s a flipper, while seemingly devoid of a lock. No liner or frame lock. Wasn’t in description either. Btw, that slot feature looks like it could be a wire insulation cutter when blade is closed. Curious to try that out.

That’s a cool compact sized frame-lock flipper! Thumbs Up Have a look at my short action video here. It’s the mini budget version of the SNECX Buster by Green Thorn.

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teus wrote:
I see. thanks. maybe in the future I’ll have permanent access to a XRF setup. that would rule out some things, but doesn’t tell everything. I see plenty of variation in D2 performance, when people test edge retention. that would be the heat treatment or something else.

You are right about that. Ingredients can vary for different samples of D2. There are lots of other factors such as heat treatment, tempering, blade geometry, whether or not the factory grind fatigued the edge, etc. As a result, just being D2 isn’t a guarantee of incredible edge retention. I forget who first said this but you can think of knife steel like cake. Quality ingredients matter but so does the skill of the baker!

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That’s a cool compact sized frame-lock flipper! Thumbs Up Have a look at my short action video here. It’s the mini budget version of the SNECX Buster by Green Thorn.
Thanks for the video link — cool! Looks like fabulous quality for the price. So it’s a frame lock? How strange, because the frame photo with it opens doesn’t reveal the frame presenting a typical lock. But then I can see in your video that the frame lock is engaging. Maybe they took the blade open photos without the frame engaged.
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So it's a frame lock? How strange, because the frame photo with it opens doesn't reveal the frame presenting a typical lock.

On Aliexpress nearly all knives pictures have the lock (when there is one) hidden or photoshoped and there is no mention of it in the description !

From what i understand  chinese law about knives are very strict and AE doesn't allow locked knives sale so sellers have to hide the lock but if you ask them about they will answer that "this is the real knife" and that the picture might not be accurate ... without clearly saying that there is a lock ! For the same reason some even ask NOT to add pictures in the review.

What i don't understand is that gearbest doesn't seem to suffer the same restrictions.

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From what i understand  chinese law about knives are very strict and AE doesn’t allow locked knives sale so sellers have to hide the lock but if you ask them about they will answer that “this is the real knife” and that the picture might not be accurate … without clearly saying that there is a lock ! For the same reason some even ask NOT to add pictures in the review.


What i don’t understand is that gearbest doesn’t seem to suffer the same restrictions.

Bingo! I’d heard that too. That explains it well. Some sellers of knives do state there is a lock, but perhaps they’re not offering those knives to Chinese buyers.
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Xevious and Chrono.

Regarding the steel in blades.

After a few yrs of practice.. You can FEEL he different density of different steels when using a stone or Diamond steel.

The harder. Denser the metals in blades.. the smoother…… it feels. on a 600grit Diamond.
IE LESS drag on diamond steel through the higher density of the blade metals.

Get hold of a 6/7/8cr13, then a Wushof German Blade. Then a Japanese VG10,
Then a KNOWN D2 or higher.
and slide them over the steel. FEEL the difference in Smoothness, or stickiness. as it slides over the steel. Or Stone.

Basically. Harder metal blend. More resistance to filing. FEELS Smoother.
It slides over the top.Rather than cutting into. MUCH harder to take an edge.
Which it holds for longer.
The 8cr. 440c and D2 can be improved over what they are though. Depending on who does the heat treatment

I’ve never. Basically. Found the need for any harder than 440c, Swedish, or D2 in working knives.
Nor VG10 in my Japanese Kitchen knives. (I have a coupla expensive, Japanese Blends. “perv’s” in drawer.
Wuldn’t DARE use them, I’m a Butcher. In “rough as”. NOT a Chef. Peruse only. Bought with spare money from a job. Yrs ago.

Wusthof are a blend/heat treat to themselves.
Ooold. Soft, beautiful, and bloody magic to work with on the heavier duty jobs..

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Does the LDT TG03 have a blade lock, considering what was discussed previously about some Chinese websites not showing it?

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Does the LDT TG03 have a blade lock, considering what was discussed previously about some Chinese websites not showing it?

I never seen a flipper without. It very most likely has a lock.

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Does the LDT TG03 have a blade lock, considering what was discussed previously about some Chinese websites not showing it?

I never seen a flipper without. It very most likely has a lock.

Agreed. There is also the venue of customer support. I have asked sellers questions about their products. I’m sure they’d be able to relay the details of the locking mechanism if not stated in the description.
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I have recently developed some interest in flippers just to fidget around. Is there any budget flippers recommended? Something which is nice and low price like an SRM 710? I dont really want any high quality material or such but just need a smooth operation to play around with.

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I have recently developed some interest in flippers just to fidget around. Is there any budget flippers recommended? Something which is nice and low price like an SRM 710? I dont really want any high quality material or such but just need a smooth operation to play around with.

Look at Ganzo FH11 or FH21 – reasonably priced at around $25, good flipping action, and good quality on top.
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Does the LDT TG03 have a blade lock, considering what was discussed previously about some Chinese websites not showing it?

I never seen a flipper without. It very most likely has a lock.

Agreed. There is also the venue of customer support. I have asked sellers questions about their products. I’m sure they’d be able to relay the details of the locking mechanism if not stated in the description.

Thanks. Yup, the seller shared with me unedited photos that show the knife has a liner lock.
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I have recently developed some interest in flippers just to fidget around. Is there any budget flippers recommended? Something which is nice and low price like an SRM 710? I dont really want any high quality material or such but just need a smooth operation to play around with.

Sanrenmu? Check!
Flipper knife? Check!
Size like the SRM 7010? Check!
Price around $10? Check!

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Thanks! This looks like the one!

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Thanks. Yup, the seller shared with me unedited photos that show the knife has a liner lock.
Good to hear it. Are you going to get the LDT TG03?
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cyclops wrote:
I have recently developed some interest in flippers just to fidget around. Is there any budget flippers recommended? Something which is nice and low price like an SRM 710? I dont really want any high quality material or such but just need a smooth operation to play around with.

Try that go,comma flipper that was all the rage a while back? For the 10bux or whatever they were going for, they were an absolute steal. Buttery smooth. I don’t want to tell how many of ‘em I got. LOL

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