Review: Bedtime Bulb E27 LED (2200K, CRI95)

Nice =) I hope I will have LEDs from SmareEcoLightning with the same spectrum (1000pcs 6w 13.5mm)
I ordered it, because I understood bedtimebulb’s philosophy.

Hey everyone, Greg Yeutter here. Bedtime Bulb is my product.

Maukka, thank you for reaching out and for this awesome review. It's great to connect with a community that appreciates specs like high CRI and low flicker.

Product Availability

Regarding the product, we currently sell in the US and Canada (A19 and B10 versions).

UK is launching next week, with the rest of Europe coming in the following weeks. The European product is an A19 with either an E27 base or B22 base. As Maukka linked, the E27 version is already available for sale on all the Amazon Europe sites (except NL) but we are still finalizing the graphic designs. Expect the B22 version to be live by Monday.

Brightness Fluctuations

Regarding the brightness fluctuations, we've only seen it happen in the US on places with very noisy power (very unstable voltage). Perhaps this is more common in Europe? We always offer a full refund upon return to anyone who experiences this issue, or if they don't like the product in general. I appreciate the feedback on this, and we will monitor the situation in Europe to see if driver changes are needed.

Pump/Phosphor Design

hank, the current LED design is a blue (450 nm) pump with a special phosphor design that reduces most of the blue, while still providing excellent color metrics. We are considering violet designs for the future, but in general, these have less phosphor stability and will degrade much more quickly than blue pump designs.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "how much blue leaks out." Mauri captured the specs well with his spectrophometer, but we also have similar metrics posted on our spec sheet. Let me know if I can clarify anything here.

Thanks everyone,

Greg

Hmm, looks interesting…

I mean, how big is the blue spike in a spectrum, like this:

I like the PublicLabs kit spectrometers, highly affordable.

Thanks for the info and the comment about the violet-driven LEDs, that was news to me.

OH, WAIT, I just looked at your web page and found the answer:

Here’s an SPD on its own if that’s helpful:

Hey! I just want to know, on amazon.ca it’s $25 for your bulb and for $2 less I can buy a 6 pack of 2200K led edison light bulbs, maybe I missed something but what does your bulb do better than this 6 pack for justifying this price tag

Note: I’m genuinely not trying to be snarky with this post. Just asking you to consider a different perspective, whether you like my product or not.

Do the 6-pack 2200K bulbs have good color performance or are they just 80-ish CRI? What about flicker? Shading of the bare filaments to reduce glare? And the elimination of “shadowing” where a pattern is projected on the wall? All issues with many filament products that we’ve worked out.

Some people will care and some will not, but I can tell you that just the LEDs in our bulb cost more than many light bulbs retail for. Custom phosphors aren’t cheap. But we’ve found a niche and many thousands of customers can attest that we’ve come up with something helpful.

Also consider that it’s my full-time job to educate people about human-centric lighting. I’m able to listen to what people are saying and genuinely try to find solutions for them. If we were making a smaller per-unit profit, I wouldn’t be able to do this. (By the way, I’m not rich. It took a lot of pain, debt, and suffering to get this business to a relatively stable place)

A comment on cheap LED bulbs: obviously they are great for the consumer in many ways. But it’s very hard to innovate when your per-unit profit is a few pennies. There’s a reason the big names are spinning out their consumer lighting divisions. Corners are cut on cheap products, many times on important things like flicker and safety certifications. Not always, but buyer beware that many things are misrepresented on Amazon.

I totally get it. The title of this forum starts with “budget.” You’re focused on value, and my product probably doesn’t fit that definition for you. That’s 100% fine by me. But if there is a product that fits your needs from a company that genuinely cares (instead of a commodity operation) consider supporting them.

It looks like the measured spectrum is also in maukka’s info-graphs, at the top center.

Nice reply yeutterg, I ordered two to try it :+1:

Thanks for your support, and I’d love to hear your honest feedback. Cheers.

Greg

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I did some tests on the AC line in my house. I don’t have any expensive power quality measurements devices, but I used whatever I had on hand.

Checking my UPS logs, I can see that during the last couple of days the AC voltage has ranged from 218 to 230 volts.

First I measured the AC voltage vs. lumen output over 10 minutes. To me the voltage fluctuations don’t seem that bad (226.1V to 228.4V).

A typical constant current controlled bulb doesn’t react to these little voltage changes in any way and would look like this:

I tested the stability of the AC waveform at my house using the pass/fail function of my scope and making a mask around the waveform. I let it run for some time, but there was no sudden spikes all the while I experienced some visual fluctuations on the bulb. AC voltage ranged from 213V to 215V during this test.

And as can be seen from the scope screenshot, the waveform is quite clean. The THD of the AC line at my house is only about 2%.

And for testing the crest factor, I used a Uni-T DMM which can show the max/min values of an AC waveform in addition to the RMS value. With a perfect sinewave the ratio between those two or the crest factor should be sqrt(2) or about 1.41.

What I got was pretty much spot on (316V/226.2V=1.4).

I also turned off most SMPS power supplies and lights, but that didn’t make any difference to the behavior of the bulb.

Too often testing the tests takes more effort than doing the tests themselves. :+1:

I tell my customers (I am an A/V dealer) constantly that LEDs are THE place to invest. If you amortize the cost of a quality lamp ($25 per) over the life of the bulb (lets be super conservative and say 10 years) you’re looking at roughly $.20 per month per bulb.

I understand it’s a lot to lay out up front but you’ll be paying for cheap products (in the form of headaches and poor color rendering) for the life of the inferior product, which with LED technology is a long time.

That’s the problem with poor quality LEDs, you’re stuck with them for much longer.

I’m curious to check out a couple for our nightstand lamps.

I’d like to try using your emitter in a flashlight (right now we use amber emitters in our evening flashlights).

Would you sell the emitter on a 16mm or 20mm board for hobbyist use?

Watermanchris: 100% agree. Plus we have a 5-year warranty, so if the product does fail for whatever reason, it’s pretty easy to get a replacement out of us :slight_smile:

hank: It’s actually a filament operating around 70 V, but we unfortunately don’t sell them. We have a pretty tightly integrated supply chain. You may consider breaking open a bulb and using the filaments from there, but consider using cheaper filament bulbs first to test as they are quite delicate :slight_smile:

Greg Yeutter , Can I become your dealer?

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Thanks!

Actually it would be the custom phosphor I’d like to get hold of.
I could dissolve it, I guess, and paint it over a blue or royal blue LED?

If you’ve patented the phosphor, what’s the patent number?

Ah I see. Patent still pending. Right now, it’s going to be difficult to pull out of the supply chain, but we will reconsider for the future.

thank you for letting me know that even with stable power in Finland, the lights have visible flicker

I hope the manufacturer fixes the problem

well… I dont mean to be snarky
however, you dont seem to have understood maukkas comments.

I suggest you re-read maukkas posts, and let us know when you have fixed your driver

clearly the problem with flicker is not limited to USA, nor to “very unstable voltage”