Neal's Gadget silence

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That’s not how it works with Paypal. Neal had his chance to resolve it, he didn’t bother so lost the case. The buyer gets a refund and keeps the item.

For what its worth, I’ve ordered twice from Neal. 1st time - Dec. 6, 2019 3 FF e01’s and 2 FF e07’s. Shipping notice received Dec. 23 and delivery made on Dec. 27. 2nd time - 01/12/2020 1 BLF GT90. Shipping notice received 01/17 and delivery made on 01/22. These are the only times I have ordered from Neal and with this track record, I will order from him again. Their Chinese New Year is now over, but they are still dealing with the Covid-19 virus. Which, btw, looks to be a possible biological weapon rather than a natural occurrence. I don’t know how it is in your part of the world, but I have seen images thru twitter and youtube of the violence being displayed upon the chinese people by their very own government due to this “virus”. Unless you live there, I doubt you know the restrictions that have been placed on them. You can continue to rant about Neal if you want, we know his reputation and you evidently knew it to before you ordered, but you still ordered. Use the channels of communication he has available. Someone mentioned that he was active on Facebook, try that. In the meantime, you’re beating a dead horse as you keep coming back to complain to noone that can do anything about it.

Ahh, buying into the Russian disinformation campaign I see. Yes, the US started the coronavirus. Maybe I should put “virus” in quotes because apparently it isn’t a virus? What ever happened to critical thinking? Anyone ever notice the same people who never vaccinate themselves against the flu are the same people creating a stink about the coronavirus? The flu will undoubtedly kill more people in the US this year, but somehow it is the coronavirus they are worried about. If there was a vaccination against this strain of the coronavirus people wouldn’t vaccinate themselves and still complain, quite amazing to me. I work in a veterinary clinic and every week we have puppies brought in who are dying from parvovirus, yet their owners do not want to vaccinate. Our world is in a very sad state.

It always amazes me that people who have no knowledge of biology and how few surface proteins need to change for a virus to infect humans always think it is somehow a biological weapon instead of natural antigenic changes to a virus. Was the 1918 influenza pandemic also a biological weapon?
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-51599009

Do I need to make a sarcastic comment about this?

Say what you want. I did.

Just because you can say whatever you want, doesn’t mean you should.

I am not a puppy. I took the flu shot. I never said nor do I know, anything about a Russian disinformation campaign, but if you say there is, ok. I had 2 interactions with Neals Gadgets. They were both positive. I will order from him again if he has what I am looking for. The situation in China seems to be of chaos and uncertainty right now. And the BLF GT90 being announced that nobody was expecting, which the original poster ordered. They were announced with being 100 ready to order and ship. I ordered mine 2 days after it was announced on VOB’s youtube channel. Then he came back 2 days later and stated that the first 100 was sold out. The next batch would be made and shipped after the CNY. That was around Feb. 12? I’ve seen videos of chinese origin of people being beaten for not wearing face masks while being out in the public. Maybe Neal ran out of face masks and doesn’t want to go out of his house? I’m just saying the chaos and uncertainty where Neal is based out of, is right now at least cause to give some extra patience. And the BLF GT90 second batch will have to be made when all employees return to work. Today is the 22nd, only 10 days after employees would normally return back to work. It seems reasonable to be patient at this point knowing they weren’t allowed to return due to the corona virus being so contagious. I don’t know, this is why I don’t post. I know I just ramble and ramble…

A large majority who have an issue with Neal had the issue occur long before the outbreak. I know the OP ordered in January, but if you look through previous threads about Neal you would see these issues have been occurring for years. I personally would never complain of a shipping delay. However shipping incorrect items or failing to ship items altogether should not happen at such a high rate. Neal ignoring people who complain to him proves he doesn’t care about those issues. Neal has had issues for years and I know a large amount of people are basing their experiences off of those previous issues.

People who say Neal is doing his best surely are ignoring the reality of running such a business. If I vaccinated 10-20 percent of patients with the wrong vaccine (even 5%), surely people would demand that I do better and hopefully one would make changes to meet that demand. If someone completely ignores those issues, then I don’t think that person could claim that they are trying the best that they can.

And I am a person who is coming out of the cobwebs with 2 positive experiences to post about and they get discounted? Why? Why is my experience any less than someone who had a bad experience. I’m also giving evidence, that prior to the CNY, Neal seemed to be doing a good job of filling and shipping orders. I know I keep saying this, but with the situation that China is in right now, a little extra patience just doesn’t seem unreasonable. All things considered. I am really not here to argue. I agree some people will have bad experiences at one time or another with whatever manufacturer or store. I am sharing my good experiences. Thank you.

I am certainly not saying that your experience is any less indicative than anyone else. However just because you had one or two good experiences does not mean that the seller is perfect. I see this a lot in this forum. One or two people post about a poor experience and a flood of people berate the poster claiming it is somehow the behavior of the poster that caused the issue or how no one else has had an issue.

The bottom line is most sellers from China just don’t care to correct any issue you may have had with them. Certainly not all sellers behave this way but most do. Just look at how Sofirn deals with orders from their AliExpress store. Sofirn could take 3 months to ship an order even when there is no virus and they believe that is acceptable. It is often chalked up to how people in China conduct business verses westerners, but I personally find that to be a cop out and almost a way for people to mentally cope with being screwed. Communication goes a long way in customer service and if sellers are upfront about significant delays then there should not be a reason to complain.

I also don’t think you are in anyway wrong about being patient with sellers during this timeframe. Certainly shipping and factories have been disrupted during this period and everyone should be really patient.

I take back what I said about neal being an unreliable seller for years because moburne ordered twice & he got his orders & China has got a virus ,there you go neal ,your reputation as a none reliable seller is gone.

Enough sarcasm, if neal contacted everyone who currently has a problem & dealt with the problem ,then the bad reviews will go away.

I started my first post off with “For what its worth, I’ve ordered twice from Neal.”. Evidently, it was not worth much to you. I am done. Good night, sir.

Yeah. :frowning:

Lies spread like the flu, while truth comes limping behind.

It was once a common theory that people believed ridiculous things because they didn’t have access to information. But now we have the internet, detailed info about almost every topic at our fingertips… and it seems the issue has only gotten worse. Whatever it is that causes ignorance, it isn’t a lack of access to information.

In some cases, there’s literally hundreds or thousands of years of solid evidence proving that an idea is false, and people believe it anyway. For example, the idea that the Earth is flat. But tell someone their idea is false, and present the evidence, and they go “Hey, you’re not the thought police! You can’t tell me what to think! That’s just your opinion!”

Sigh.

I don’t know what makes people behave like that. It’s like they have a broken immune system — but for information. So they pick up whatever information illnesses they’re exposed to and then spread it to others with similar weaknesses. And much of the time, these infoviruses end up being permanent or at least take a very long time to heal.

I also don’t know how to solve it. But we can at least reduce the chance of getting sick by practicing good information hygiene. As for what that means, well, getting info about controversial topics from whoever writes the juiciest tweets … is not good information hygiene. Accurate information is rarely juicy; usually it’s dull and dry.

For anyone interested in getting a booster shot for their information immune system, here’s a video tutorial about navigating digital information.

I am just old enough that I grew up in the 90s with unfettered access to the internet. In those days modem speed was rated in baud. Back then on Usenet and bulletin board systems, accuracy was the currency of the day and everyone sought the truth. Then in the late 90s or early 2000s the internet became so popular everyone had access and not just technophiles. Now it seems that bots have taken over and people lack the tools to discern real information from false information.

Maybe it was just that people who had access back then were the ones who tended to be educated. But now everyone has access to the internet and these same people demand that the information they spew carries the same weight as subject experts. I agree that something is fundamentally broken and I am not sure it can be fixed, but I hope the loud few who spread the truth can teach those who don’t care or choose not to care.

Everyday I work with professionals who are more educated and even more intelligent than I am. I try very hard to learn everything I can from them. Anytime I am corrected by one of them it makes me happy that I have learned something new, even if it bruises my ego. I only wish most people felt this way.

So you’re saying he got a light for free then? He complained little and get a refund but refuse to send the light back? Who’s in the wrong now?

Just sayin’.

Where did G0OSE say he “refused” to send the light back? What I read was that Neal failed to respond to a PayPal dispute. In that case PayPal resolves the dispute in the buyer’s favor, issues a refund, and no return is required. How does that make the customer “in the wrong”? There’s also the pesky fact that returning a typical flashlight to China from the USA or Europe will cost more than the price of the flashlight.

That’s called compensation, neal had plenty of chances to sort it out , he didn’t so Paypal did.

To be fair, much (most?) of that information is untrue.

Most people don’t want the truth, they want confirmation, which is more comfortable. Things like tribal identity are handled by the reptilian brain and not susceptible to rational argument.

Epistemology is hard. Logic is hard. You can only do this for yourself, by opening yourself to multiple points of view, including those you disagree with and take you outside your comfort zone. As for others, it is almost impossible to do so, only if a leader from their own tribe has a change of heart will they reconsider.

The real problem is hucksters, politicians and others who cynically exploit these biases for personal gain or power. As long as the incentives are there, they will continue. You cannot penalize them without trampling on free speech, and if you do that, it’s more likely the unpopular truths like the theory of evolution that will be banned, not flat-earth ers or anti-vaxxers.

I’m not getting any lights for free here, I haven’t even bought any! just to clear that up. :person_facepalming: . I was just replying to your comment, where YOU were quoting the other guy.

I was pointing out Paypal’s stance, that’s all. THEY tell you that you can keep it (I’ve had it a few times over the years, wrong item received etc). Technically it’s theirs to give away since they paid the refund (the original payment was months ago, and long since withdrawn by the seller). They have to hope they can claim that back or are insured, shrewd sellers don’t leave money in their account which makes it hard to claim back.
I was told by Paypal during a previous contact where I was owed money and they subsequentially refunded (dunno if true) they don’t have an ‘auto collect’ feature which can grab funds as soon as they hit an account (as in a refund), they have to do it manually, and only try a few times - if there’s none in there at that point they can’t take any. I’m pretty sure they can’t debit your card or bank either without permission as it’s not a direct debit.