Low Price for a Lumintop Tool 2.0 Ti?

Agree, it still is a nice light for 37$
I assume the XPL2 will not have a long life in yours :wink: And the lighted tailcap will drain a 14500 in about 1,5-2 months, so that needs attention

I’m very happy with my High CRI SST20 in it (Lost a lot of lumens though)

You are correct in your predictions :slight_smile: Also, I probably will change the driver because contracting mode memory is worse than any virus (but at least there is a ready cure).

Cancelled the order.
Got already a “warning” from them that the exchange rates of buying and refund may differ.
What’s the title of that Clint Eastwood movie: “Every Which Way But Loose”. For them it is.

That’s poor, it was their fault nobody else’s, they should at minimum ensure you get back what you paid due to their error.

I do not entirely agree that it is nobody else’s fault, the pricing mistake was their fault but after that we all voluntarily stepped into a deal that was too good to be true, in my opinion that contributed to the size of the mess that arose (which was rather gracefully resolved by Fasttech) . It is only fair that we get our money back, but I’m ok that we pay that small exchange rate difference for our part in the trouble they had over this.

I completely disagree with that notion. We didn’t know their reasoning for dropping the price so drastically. Perhaps they were clearing out inventory. It was their error for posting the incorrect price, and the only way to fix the problem is to actually ship the items (which would be too costly for them to bite the bullet on this one) or to refund everybody’s money. I’m not going to accept less money than I paid as a refund because of market fluctuation.

It is a customer mentality thing really, the rigid “customer is king” “you made mistake, you suffer” mentality comes up fairly often on BLF. I think it is very american but certainly not exclusively american. There is no right or wrong in this, pure opinion on how things should be, but it does cause a lot of (avoidable) friction with chinese sellers that will not understand a lot of that.

It’s a very common law practice in most countries that one who is not at fault in a given situation not suffer any penalties. They admittedly made a mistake on the pricing. If they do not refund people their full money because of a change in conversion rates, they’d actually be making a marginal profit on what would amount to small loans people made to them. It makes no sense for them to profit on their mistake at the expense of customers who were hopeful to get a great deal.

i couldn’t agree more Longuylander

BTW, they still did not reply to my message which is over 24 hours ago now.

I was not referring to law but to common sense and a bit of empathy. About the profit, they make a few cents out of this, maybe adding up to a couple of dollars for all the orders, but that does not remotely pay for the extra work and stress that this causes them.

If it applies to the law, then it applies to common sense as well. And if it’s only a couple of dollars profit, then refunding the people their full amount does not seriously hurt them either. The extra work and stress was caused by them. The other party involved in the mistake should not be on the hook for any damages, no matter how small. Empathy has no place in business.

This made me laugh :smiley:

BTW, before the Tool AA Ti went missing on the AliExpress LT store, it was above 50€ (an increase of more than 10€ since about 2 months).
Now it isn’t listed anymore.

I didn’t jump on this FT deal. I still think that for my use with a 15mm Lexel driver with Bistro HD OTSM it would get hot very fast on the highest modes. It is a very gorgeous light and I may rethink my opinion though :stuck_out_tongue:

Would be nice to have a “heat” test comparing a regular Tool AA V2.0 and a Tool AA Ti, under the same circumstances (same type of driver, led and battery, and environment).

I’m aware of the Ti problems, I fried three 219C emitters in a Reylight Ti because they were on direct drive and it is impossible to feel on the outside how hot it gets in there. What helps a bit is that the Tool has a thinner build so at least you can feel the heat a bit faster, but still modern low voltage emitters are not really compatible with direct drivers in Ti lights. What will help a bit is thinner longer led wires than stock to limit the current a bit.

Lumintop is releasing the updated Tool Ti with a copper head next month :wink:

That will make it too heavy for me to EDC. It will be more lightweight than the SS Astrolux S41 with copper head that was way heavier than I would ever consider carrying every day, but still…

It depends, if they are assembling the whole head with copper, or just the lower part. (The Ti head consists of 2 parts, and they are quite small and thin, that’s one of the major parts where the heat problem comes from)
They did not give details about that

Same here. I like FT best over GB, BG, KD, and AX, simply because I never had any major problems with them, they actually send a pic of the package when it ships (who else does that??), and they’re generally above-board way way way more than the others.

That said, it’s absolutely possible that they wanted to dump stock quickly (disputes with LT, etc.), it could’ve been mislabeled Al and not Ti, it could’ve been discontinued and not moving fast enough to clear inventory, any number of reasons (CPFI Cometa, anyone?). I don’t know if that would be the case, or if it really were a pricing error.

It’s the principle. I don’t like the possibility of being nicked by PP for “fees” for a refund. Dunno, there might be a difference in “sending” (fees) vs “refunding” (no fees) and I might be concerned over nothing, but still.

Like I said, it’s analogous to being mailed a refund check with postage due. It’s just not right to take the hit for someone else’s mistake.

Hey, if they’re willing to offer 4bux if you buy the light, I can cancel my entire order for 4bux credit, and reorder the 311 I had with the original order and apply the 4bux to that, even if PP nicks me for 3-4bux. It’d just about even out.

Speculation about exchange rate fees are unfounded.

Paypal gave me a full refund:

We reviewed the information regarding your case(s) and have decided in your favor.

We credited the full disputed transaction amount to your PayPal…

My refund was in full to the penny as well.

Some of you guys are just a little too strung out on the law.
If you really fear foreign transaction conversion fees, then stop dealing in foreign transactions. Simple.
Life isn’t always fair.

Here is my own personal amount at which I get my dander up.
The price of a McDonalds Happy Meal.
If the loss is less than the meal, then I am Happy and go on with my life.
Water off a ducks back.
Got enough bigger shit complicating my health and well being to worry about an amount that is less than tip money.

YMMV
Just keep this in mind;
A Good day is one where you are still on the right side of the dirt:)

Be safe, wash your hands and let’s get through this current mess.

Peace out,
Keith

Did you get an email from FT saying they had refunded the money? I have not received an email and nothing on PP yet.