The L10 is rated for1050mAh/3A while the H10 is rated for 1000mAh/10A. I’m not a battery expert but given that they have similar specs and are released in the same period I would expect that the H10 and this Shockli are the same cell.
Seems like it for sure. However someone made a test of the H10 and reached close to 1000mAh, actually it surpassed 1000 at 0.1A, iirc. Although it could be because of different measuring equipment, that’s why I love HKJ’s website, where everything is tested in the same conditions.
The orange Shockli can’t even reach 950, should have been marketed as 950 and not 1050 for sure.
It’s also important to see the curves, I think.
For example the Samsung 30Q might have less capacity than 35E, but the way it holds voltage under load means it’s actually better than the 35E for everything that requires even remotely high drain. Not only that, but the 35E’s higher capacity only shows below 3.0 volts, at that point any flashlight enthusiast would be charging their battery already.
I’m not a specialist though, I just find HKJ’s graphics really interesting and helpful.
Not much else to say besides SubLGT and djozz's comments. Even if the angle shots aren't the same, it can be clearly seen that both Vapcell H10 and this badly overrated Shockli cell come from the same OEM and are the same cell with certainty. Any differences arise from the different test platforms and/or battery grades. The top cap shape tells me the battery OEM is Heter.
From a responsible and professional point of view, the ratings of these cells are what Mooch already said: 900 mAh and 10 A. 900 mAh is a minimum capacity value which any cell should meet, whereas 10 A is the highest current for which the discharge curve still looks 0K.
P.S.: 1050 mAh and 12 A? That's enough :facepalm: Shockli, that's enough.
Wed, 04/01/2020 - 22:05
Is Heter a good brand? First time I hear about them.
Ventsi, Heter is one of the big battery manufacturers in China. There are others like BAK, Lishen, Power Long Battery, and some lesser players like Yongdeli. Heter may not be the biggest (don't really know), but they have fairly good technology. Enerpower properly rewraps some of its cells, check Test/review of Enerpower 18650 3.2V 1800mAh (Blue), for example. You will clearly see the same top pole geometry, manufacturers usually stick to just one or two top pole geometries, as far as I know.
Thanks, didn’t know.
I think they are likely not the same. I had the same assumption when Shockli released the black 1000mah shortly after Vapcell relesed the gold 1000mah. But when I tested the Shockli, it was much higher current but lower capacity.
Comparing the HKJ’s graph and Mooch’s graph, the Shockli makes about 840mah at 10A and 820mah at 15A whereas the Vapcel H10 makes 800mah at 10A and 755mah at 15A. Though they are measured using different equipment but the difference is pretty significant to believe they are different cells.
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The temperature difference is also huge (I wonder how did Mooch hit such high figures). But still not very meaningful in my opinion. Once HKJ tests the H10, we'll have a better picture.
In any case, I still believe both H10 and this cell come from the same OEM. This is a niche product, and the manufacturer may not be stringent consistency wise. There are other variables which may affect results, I tested some batteries in an EBD-M05 some weeks ago and found myself surprised with the differences I found versus HKJ's comparable cell curves. My testing room was at 16 - 17 °C, while HKJ tests at 25 °C ambient, now that I think of it. 
But well… 
Thanks for fixing it! You have good points. I will buy some to test and do hope I will be pleasantly surprised like last time with the Shockli 1000mah 3A.
Damn, and I just recently got my 1000mAh black Shockli 14500s in. Well, at least those are native button-tops.
Where can I buy these? I don’t seem them on their web site.
Out of curiosity, I asked when it will be available on Ali
“hello, maybe at the end of next month”
How are currently the Sofirn 14500?They was in review 2 yar ago
Thanks
Sort of off-topic for this message thread.
I’ve bought a number of Sofirn flashlights with batteries included (usually I take the battery option since batteries cannot be shipped to our country as is, and has to be included with a flashlight)…
I’ve had quite a number of Sofirn batteries now, and I generally do capacity test and compare them (do capacity test, measure AC IR with YR1030 resistance tester, and measure their weight with a digital scale). I hadn’t really done measuring of dimensions (diameter/height) — all some are visually different.
In my limited experience, Sofirn uses different batteries under the wrapper. I’ve detected at least 3 different types of Sofirn “4000mAh” 21700, at least 4 different types of Sofirn “5000/5500mAh” 26650 and maybe 3 types of Sofirn “3000mAh” 18650s. Sofirn labels their 14500 “900mAh”, I haven’t compared Sofirn 14500s much, but I’ve noted they come in slightly different “sizes”, some Sofirn 900mAh 14500 are a bit shorter, some are a bit taller, and while usually the capacity test range from 800-900+ mAh (using MC3000 to do capacity test). So it’s likely a bit difficult to say which “Sofirn 14500” one will be getting, as it changes over time…
They were supposed to be available at the end of June, and they are still not available. Anyone know when it will be available for sale?
Here are my test results:
Discharge capacity tested on a Xtar Dragon VP4 Plus:
Vapcell 1000mah gold – 993, 995 mah
Vapcell H10 1000mah purple – 962, 961, 943, 962 mah
Vapcell L10 1050mah purple – 1063, 1063 mah
Orbtronic 1000mah protected – 990, 972, 967 mah
Shockli Black 1000mah button top – 957, 921, 947, 950 mah
Shockli Black 1000mah flat top – 889 mah
Shockli Orange 1050mah flat top - 991, 989, 1004, 963
Lumen on direct drive (highest output) tested with Texas Ace Lumen Sphere calibrated with Maukka lights:
GT Micro XP-L HI 4000K
(flat top no contact) Sanyo UR14500P 840mAh Battery
(flat top no contact) Vapcell 1000mah gold
964 lumens –14500 KeepPower 840mAh Sanyo UR14500P Protected Button Top
951 lumens – EVVA Protected Button Top 800mah
974 lumens – Orbtronic 1000mah protected button top
1194 lumens – Windyfire 600mah button top
1195 lumens – Shockli Black 1000mah button top
1155 lumens – Shockli Black 1000mah flat top
1247 lumens – Vapcell H10 1000mah button top purple
948 lumens – Vapcell L10 1050mah flat top purple
1247 lumens - Shockli Orange 1050mah flat top
Kronos X5
903 lumens – Sanyo UR14500P 840mAh Battery
1110 lumens – Windyfire 600mah button top
1104 lumens – Shockli Black 1000mah button top
1086 lumens – Shockli Black 1000mah flat top
842 lumens – Orbtronic 1000mah protected button top
931 lumens – Vapcell 1000mah gold
1180 lumens – Vapcell H10 1000mah button top
930 lumens – Vapcell L10 1050mah flat top
1200 lumens - Shockli Orange 1050mah
The Shockli Orange 1050mah output is about identical to the monster cell Vapcell H10. It is both a high drain and high capacity cell, which is just incredible! It even managed to beat the Vapcell H10 slightly in average capacity, though this might just be that I got lucky on the cell lottery, since HKJ’s comparator seems to show both being the same cell, but who knows. Hoping to see some flashlights that can take advantage of the high current.
The Vapcell L10 is the highest capacity 14500 in existence. Output is equal to the previous Vapcell 1000mah gold.
The former 14500 king Shockli 1000mah is still an excellent high current and high capacity cell and besides these two flashlights, you won’t see any output difference vs the Shockli Orange or Vapcell H10.
Edit: The Shockli Orange 1050mah is a flat top that works in the GT Micro. The Vapcell H10 flat top does not work in the GT Micro. So not sure if they really are the same cell.
Great overview! Thanks for sharing.