Massive post on where to get lithium-ion batteries everywhere in the world! Look at Post 2-5 for info, And Canada Post 123

213 posts / 0 new
Last post
Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand
Fox wrote:
Tesla/panasonic are the same batteries?????? Shocked

Panasonic manufacture the batteries for Tesla. Not sure about all batteries but quite a few

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

afaitken
Offline
Last seen: 9 months 3 days ago
Joined: 04/12/2020 - 23:37
Posts: 3
Location: Australia

Watch out for the newer LTO (lithium titanate) chemistry cells. There are good genuine Toshiba SCIB cells and genuine 66160 YinLong cells but also many poor quality pouch cells and 66160 cells that have been recovered, typically with other brand names such as GTK.
Now, GTK IS NOT a manufacturer, but a wholesaler of re-wrapped cells – these are sub-standard and often second hand. I purchased 100 × 66160 40ah LTO cells only to find out they were old used YinLong cells that were lucky to test out to 27amps and many fail to hold full charge. That was a $7,000 hit that Kevin Lee from Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress sold me. The other was from the same store, 160 × 12.5ah LTO Pouch cells. They tested out to 10amps and 65 failed on their first use. I found the original manufacturer “Microvast” who stated these were “trash” waiting for recycling or disposale (obviously being sold out the back door). That was another $3500 hit to my pocket. Kevin Lee is denying these claims but completely unwilling to work with me on a refund or resupply of the correct cells. Be warned, DO NOT BUY FROM the Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress! …that is unless you like trowing your hard earned cash down the drain?

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand
afaitken wrote:
Watch out for the newer LTO (lithium titanate) chemistry cells. There are good genuine Toshiba SCIB cells and genuine 66160 YinLong cells but also many poor quality pouch cells and 66160 cells that have been recovered, typically with other brand names such as GTK. Now, GTK IS NOT a manufacturer, but a wholesaler of re-wrapped cells – these are sub-standard and often second hand. I purchased 100 × 66160 40ah LTO cells only to find out they were old used YinLong cells that were lucky to test out to 27amps and many fail to hold full charge. That was a $7,000 hit that Kevin Lee from Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress sold me. The other was from the same store, 160 × 12.5ah LTO Pouch cells. They tested out to 10amps and 65 failed on their first use. I found the original manufacturer “Microvast” who stated these were “trash” waiting for recycling or disposale (obviously being sold out the back door). That was another $3500 hit to my pocket. Kevin Lee is denying these claims but completely unwilling to work with me on a refund or resupply of the correct cells. Be warned, DO NOT BUY FROM the Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress! …that is unless you like trowing your hard earned cash down the drain?

You often get what you pay for.

I see too many people bypass my store to save a couple $$ only to end up disappointed. Just recently a customer purchased 400 Chinese cells which he thought was a better deal then my price, ended up 1/4 the claimed capacity. He’s building e-bike packs for his customers, thought he would have known better

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand

BlueSwordM wrote:
INTERNATIONAL

Here we go again with the insane shipping rules regarding shipping laws.

Same stores again.

Sunway Store: https://sunway.aliexpress.com/store/group/Battery/3173029_512165822.html

Aliya Store for more variety in cells with slightly higher prices: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1382210

Lucky’s electronic store: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1191644

Vruzend: https://vruzend.com/international-orders/

AUSTRALIA

Tech Around You

LANplus

supersports600

UK

18650UK: https://18650.uk/

TorchyUK: http://www.torchy.co.uk/

EcoLux: http://www.ecoluxshopdirect.co.uk/

Can you add my store please for New Zealand

https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz

I use a CBA to test every batch. I check everything physically and also test resistance.

I’m pretty sure I’m the only seller in NZ that checks every batch with a CBA, most shops just take suppliers at their word

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

BlueSwordM
BlueSwordM's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 17 min ago
Joined: 11/29/2017 - 12:34
Posts: 5552
Location: Canada

Added.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand
BlueSwordM wrote:
Added.

Much appreciated

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand
BlueSwordM wrote:
Added.

Could you please put New Zealand above it? Otherwise it appears as Australia

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

afaitken
Offline
Last seen: 9 months 3 days ago
Joined: 04/12/2020 - 23:37
Posts: 3
Location: Australia
Funtastic wrote:
afaitken wrote:
Watch out for the newer LTO (lithium titanate) chemistry cells. There are good genuine Toshiba SCIB cells and genuine 66160 YinLong cells but also many poor quality pouch cells and 66160 cells that have been recovered, typically with other brand names such as GTK. Now, GTK IS NOT a manufacturer, but a wholesaler of re-wrapped cells – these are sub-standard and often second hand. I purchased 100 × 66160 40ah LTO cells only to find out they were old used YinLong cells that were lucky to test out to 27amps and many fail to hold full charge. That was a $7,000 hit that Kevin Lee from Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress sold me. The other was from the same store, 160 × 12.5ah LTO Pouch cells. They tested out to 10amps and 65 failed on their first use. I found the original manufacturer “Microvast” who stated these were “trash” waiting for recycling or disposale (obviously being sold out the back door). That was another $3500 hit to my pocket. Kevin Lee is denying these claims but completely unwilling to work with me on a refund or resupply of the correct cells. Be warned, DO NOT BUY FROM the Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress! …that is unless you like trowing your hard earned cash down the drain?

You often get what you pay for.

I see too many people bypass my store to save a couple $$ only to end up disappointed. Just recently a customer purchased 400 Chinese cells which he thought was a better deal then my price, ended up 1/4 the claimed capacity. He’s building e-bike packs for his customers, thought he would have known better

“You often get what you pay for.”?

I paid a premium for these batteries thinking the seller was doing the right thing, $67AUD, now I can get the same cells for approx $40 in the same quantities. I wasn’t looking for cheaper cells at the time, just anyone who could supply me 100 × 66160 cells in one order. The problem was me not firstly getting a sample, secondly, trusting a seller on AliExpress would be honest and send legitimate batteries. This battle I am still fighting has been going on for months. But now, many of these sellers do not sell fakes and moved on because the real things LTOs/66160 prices have come down dramatically. I am just letting the public know of my experiences with the Shenzhen Foxell Technologies Co., Ltd & Shenzhen Foxelion batteires Company Store on AliExpress. I’ve even asked AliExpress and Alibaba to step in, but it seems they are siding with the seller and just hoping I go away…..

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand

Righto, not in your case.

It’s just the normal thing that I see on here of going cheap.

I have a CBA so I always buy a couple and test them to check. That’s not always going to work though because many stores use their own wraps and the oem cell can change.

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

ZoomieFan
ZoomieFan's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 08/19/2016 - 05:25
Posts: 631
Location: Netherlands & Indiana

Very cheap Samsung INR18650 35E
I wonder if they are genuine…
From e2.06…..e1.59 per cell, depending on the quantity.
Free shipping to where I live

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001100215242.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist...

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand
ZoomieFan wrote:
Very cheap Samsung INR18650 35E I wonder if they are genuine… From e2.06…..e1.59 per cell, depending on the quantity. Free shipping to where I live

Fake, there’s even a customer’s photo showing a result of 2600mAh

You can never get genuine that cheap

Go for one of the genuine sellers and message them asking the lowest price for x quantity

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

Skylight
Skylight's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 24 min ago
Joined: 10/01/2018 - 04:49
Posts: 958
Location: Europe

Did anyone try the batteries of the Basen Store on Aliexpress ?

I have received a few of the LG HG2 and the Samsung 30Q and they look genuine but where quite cheap. I still need to test the LG HG2 in my charger, though.

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand

Just remember that an analyzing charger is fine for measuring capacity but not for checking authenticity. There’s plenty of fakes around with a genuine capacity but shows its true colors on a high load.

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

Miked000123
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 3 days ago
Joined: 10/14/2020 - 18:24
Posts: 1

Hey everyone new here. I saw this forum and decided to try 8 vtc6 batteries from 18650 Canada. Ordered them 2 weeks ago and they haven’t been shipped yet. I wrote an email 3 days ago and no response. We will see but he’s starting to look like a scam to me. Anybody ordered from them and been successful?

tornade
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 3 weeks ago
Joined: 08/23/2020 - 13:50
Posts: 12
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Miked000123 wrote:
Hey everyone new here. I saw this forum and decided to try 8 vtc6 batteries from 18650 Canada. Ordered them 2 weeks ago and they haven’t been shipped yet. I wrote an email 3 days ago and no response. We will see but he’s starting to look like a scam to me. Anybody ordered from them and been successful?

I placed an order on saturday and got my tracking number today… Placed a small order because it is my first time with them. Right now, the VTC6 is backorder on their website.

niajef
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 10/18/2020 - 18:23
Posts: 754
Location: Toronto

doesnt fasttech have free international shipping? im canadian, but i think thats everybody’s best bet. their batteries are not particularly expensive either. i havent bought any yet, but i assume they are genuine, they seem to be fairly reputable in here?

Serlite
Offline
Last seen: 47 min 42 sec ago
Joined: 11/01/2018 - 16:14
Posts: 405
niajef wrote:
doesnt fasttech have free international shipping? im canadian, but i think thats everybody’s best bet. their batteries are not particularly expensive either. i havent bought any yet, but i assume they are genuine, they seem to be fairly reputable in here?

FastTech has a lot of shipping restrictions around batteries – while it may say “Free shipping to XYZ” on the listing page, when you get to checkout there may not be any usable shipping options for lithium-ion batteries to that country. So they don’t really cover everyone.

niajef
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 10/18/2020 - 18:23
Posts: 754
Location: Toronto
Serlite wrote:
niajef wrote:
doesnt fasttech have free international shipping? im canadian, but i think thats everybody’s best bet. their batteries are not particularly expensive either. i havent bought any yet, but i assume they are genuine, they seem to be fairly reputable in here?

FastTech has a lot of shipping restrictions around batteries – while it may say “Free shipping to XYZ” on the listing page, when you get to checkout there may not be any usable shipping options for lithium-ion batteries to that country. So they don’t really cover everyone.

oooh, you’re right! i havent actually gotten to buy anything yet, stuff is just sitting in cart, waiting on their halloween sale. i just tried now, the vapcell 26650 ones couldnt be shipped…damn it

niajef
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 10/18/2020 - 18:23
Posts: 754
Location: Toronto
vapcell Dennis wrote:
wkweksl wrote:
Can anyone confirm if this is Vapcell’s official store?

Yeah,
The official flagship store of vapcell, vapcell and five major brands of li-ion and molicel batteries are all genuine guarantee

@BlueSwordM hey, shouldnt vapcells AE store also be listed for Canadians? im assuming they should be genuine batteries if its their official store. i just checked it out, their other brand batteries are not cheap at all, but their own, especially 26650s, pricing seems fairly reasonable at around 8-11 CAD per? and shipping starts at less than 6 CAD, of course its not very friendly when you wanna buy like 10 20 or even more, as the shipping fee stacks linearly, but its still a good source for canadians to get quality 26650. i dont even know where else we can get them at all? the only other place i found so far is 18650battery at 9 USD per vapcell G53, and their shipping is like 20+ USD

T-boon
Offline
Last seen: 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Joined: 02/22/2015 - 00:20
Posts: 183
Location: israel

hey.
this stors don’t even mention the brand of the cells in the description (you can only see the pics and hope)

AliExpress Lucky Electronics Store

AliExpress Aliya’s Battery Store

fasttech.com

so i am wondering if they are still selling a genuine cells.
thanks!

Funtastic
Funtastic's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 59 min ago
Joined: 06/26/2014 - 02:14
Posts: 1325
Location: New Zealand

T-boon wrote:
hey.
this stors don’t even mention the brand of the cells in the description (you can only see the pics and hope)

AliExpress Lucky Electronics Store

AliExpress Aliya’s Battery Store

fasttech.com

so i am wondering if they are still selling a genuine cells.
thanks!

Lucky Electronics has been my supplier for 4 years without one fake in over 5000pcs

It’s against AliExpress rules to state the brand for the big battery brands , this was covered already in previous pages

Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with maukka lights

New Zealand store – https://www.piercingthedarkness.co.nz (NZ customers only)

T-boon
Offline
Last seen: 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Joined: 02/22/2015 - 00:20
Posts: 183
Location: israel

im confused,
i only asked this cos what you said:

“How is it a scam when nowhere do they mention Panasonic. You’re kind of asking for it when you go for a cheap price.

Yes, they’ve used the Panasonic wrap but these are details you need to be aware of. These are all over the place now. They claim 100% original but this is referring to the brand like Liitokala, Varicore etc.

I made the same mistake when these were first introduced to the market 5yrs ago but I purchased 50pcs. I was pissed at first but realized when I went to open a dispute that Panasonic was never stated.”

so now you are saying it dosnt matter anymore?
thanks.

MascaratumB
MascaratumB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 11 min ago
Joined: 10/29/2016 - 12:12
Posts: 5988
Location: Portugal

T-boon wrote:
hey.
this stors don’t even mention the brand of the cells in the description (you can only see the pics and hope)

AliExpress Lucky Electronics Store

AliExpress Aliya’s Battery Store

fasttech.com

so i am wondering if they are still selling a genuine cells.
thanks!

I’ve been buying from Aliya’s Battery Store for a while and never got fake cells!
I’ve ordered from them several times, mainly Sony VTC6, Sanyo 14500s, Sanyo 16650s, Sanyo 18650s, always without issues!
And they ship them well, and fast!

Thumbs Up
LTC
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 9 min ago
Joined: 07/29/2019 - 04:34
Posts: 238
Location: South Tip

My friend, here we are… at BLF. We got to trust fellows BLF-ers especially in this case OP(BlueSwordM). I have used Lucky and Aliya batteries. So far, myself and other BLF-ers, have never hear a complain of receiving fake cells from them.

T-boon wrote:
im confused,
i only asked this cos what you said:

“How is it a scam when nowhere do they mention Panasonic. You’re kind of asking for it when you go for a cheap price.

Yes, they’ve used the Panasonic wrap but these are details you need to be aware of. These are all over the place now. They claim 100% original but this is referring to the brand like Liitokala, Varicore etc.

I made the same mistake when these were first introduced to the market 5yrs ago but I purchased 50pcs. I was pissed at first but realized when I went to open a dispute that Panasonic was never stated.”

so now you are saying it dosnt matter anymore?
thanks.

T-boon
Offline
Last seen: 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Joined: 02/22/2015 - 00:20
Posts: 183
Location: israel

yea i hear you,
but trusting BlueSwordM is not the issue, ofc i trust BLF members.
the issue i have is with those stors.

i was just trying to get an update about those sellers as i saw Funtastic mentioned (few post back) some thing about the way sellers choose to title the batteryes,
like if they dont even mention the brand, how can it be real,
so when i saw the battery description my self, i was wondering.

but reading the replays from yall was real help!
will order ASAP,
thanks alot!

niajef
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 10/18/2020 - 18:23
Posts: 754
Location: Toronto

T-boon wrote:
yea i hear you,
but trusting BlueSwordM is not the issue, ofc i trust BLF members.
the issue i have is with those stors.

i was just trying to get an update about those sellers as i saw Funtastic mentioned (few post back) some thing about the way sellers choose to title the batteryes,
like if they dont even mention the brand, how can it be real,
so when i saw the battery description my self, i was wondering.

but reading the replays from yall was real help!
will order ASAP,
thanks alot!

its a legal thing, AE doesnt allow them to list them under those brands.

according to vapcell store rep in another thread:

“But Ali-express does not allow Sanyo brand because there is no power of attorney”

im assuming its applicable for all other stores and brands, but thats also why some stores can take advantage of this and sell fake batteries, because its hard for buyers to distinguish.

T-boon
Offline
Last seen: 4 weeks 12 hours ago
Joined: 02/22/2015 - 00:20
Posts: 183
Location: israel

hard for buyers to distinguish?
lol its impossible, i mean how can i ever know without asking here in the forum?

niajef
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 17 sec ago
Joined: 10/18/2020 - 18:23
Posts: 754
Location: Toronto

well reviews, compare the reviews of lucky, aliya, vapcell to reviews of other random battery stores, you will see.

BlueSwordM
BlueSwordM's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 17 min ago
Joined: 11/29/2017 - 12:34
Posts: 5552
Location: Canada

Yeah, no worries.

I still order cells from them for friends(from Aliya’s store mainly), and I test them every time, and they’re always the same or better than my original cell order back from 2019.

Therefore, I still trust them.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

Sunnysunsun
Sunnysunsun's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 3 sec ago
Joined: 08/09/2019 - 12:51
Posts: 284
Location: Toronto

Seems like Sofirn ships batteries to Canada (untested).

https://sofirnlight.com/batteries-amp-chargers-c0375

If this is true, then they would be a very inexpensive source of decent batteries for Canadians. The cells wouldn’t be your high drain D4V2 cells but they’re probably pretty decent for other mid drain lights.

I asked them about it since many other stores don’t ship to Canada and the respondent was confused at why I even asked such a question.

Pages