How much do you know about disinfection? Ozone is a great helper

This is some crazy shit, where does one even start…

First alcohol based hand sanitizer is completely safe to use, but maybe don’t stick your hands into an open flame right after using it, common sense goes a long way.

People, ozone is horrible for you, and it will damage your lungs. It is a terrible idea. Anything that can readily oxidize chemicals present in tissue or DNA is just a horrible idea. It will directly lead to cellular damage. The kind of damage you regret when dying of cancer. Think of how oxygen can readily oxidize metals to rust. Imagine how much more quickly that chemical reaction can take place with an extra oxygen molecule. Oxidative stress is something that you never want to occur. It damages cells inside of your body. Ozone is also a gas which means that it will very easily permeate most enclosures. It just is not safe to use unless you know what you are doing, and I guarantee you that this company has no idea what they are doing.

There is a reason veterinarians, dentists and surgeons use an autoclave (steam and high temps) to sterilize items. Because using that method of sterilization does not adversely impact the health of employees involved. Using UV radiation will adversely impact your own DNA as well as the DNA of various bacteria and RNA of viruses. Cancer is literally the byproduct of your own tissue undergoing excessive DNA/cellular repair when replication or transcription errors occur. When you go out into daylight for long lengths of time and get a sunburn, that sunburn is caused by UV radiation damaging your DNA, which causes transcription errors that lead to skin cancer. Just say no to tearing up your own DNA because you are scared of pathogens.

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Yah. What exactly are they selling here?

Oh, found it:

Hmph. Well, you can look this stuff up.

Don’t fail to read the MSDS for the safety precautions. Don’t just breathe the output of an ozone generator!

Some form of bullshit ozone generator. Assholes have been selling ozone generators for years, one screwed up thing is people enjoy the smell of ozone. It smells like it is about to rain because ozone is generated by thunderstorms. So we associate it with rain. But horrible nonetheless.

And it’s not very healthy !!!

Second time I’ve seen this company make a advert about ozone generators , please stop

Keep to making chargers and batteries

Ozone is commonly used by “knowledgeable” restoration companies after
fires and floods and to remediate bacterial infestation. Schools and
other institutions rely on ozone specialists to remediate sick buildings
and those with black mold.

I used a commercial ozone machine to cleanse my home; drapes, furniture,
clothes and walls after a fat fire, which is created when a fat on a skillet
is left unattended. In prolonged or serious cases the smoke will fill the house
and penetrate the walls and everything in the home. Three or four sessions
cleansed my home completely. There are a few important precautions; for example;
remove plants and leave the rooms while they are being ozomated.

Completely understand why someone may doubt or criticize ozone usage; it is
not well promoted within the consumer sphere. However, if one looks under the
hood, or investigates local remediation firms, you will find that ozone is used
in multiple applications. For example, commercial kitchens, manufacturing, food
processing and in many other industrial and commercial settings.

I have a small recirculating AHU with fan, a combined filter panel (up to HEPA) and one UV light source. I know UV works since I can smell the ozone generated by it. I guess it is not advisable to use the UV filter stage? Anyway, it is on sale in the EU, so at least I hope emissions are withing the limits given by the regulations.

Will an Ozone Generator protect me and my family from COVID-19?
No, do not use ozone generators in occupied spaces. When used at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone applied to indoor air does not effectively remove viruses, bacteria, mold, or other biological pollutants. Visit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s website for best practices to protect yourself and your family.

It looks like it’s going to be a small battery (edit not sure) powered ozone generator. Using this in a somewhat small container to sterilize small objects is actually a pretty good idea. There are going to be some objects that you use daily that you don’t want to wash with soap and water or alcohol. I’m pretty sure this would work pretty good for sterilizing n95 and other masks also. In a 1 foot square box most objects could probably be sterilized within a few minutes. Their goal here is not to sterilize a whole room or house just a small container and contents. Edit possibly not battery powered. Found pictures on other sites and they do talk about and show sterilizing masks in a small container. Talking about 5 minutes.

I’ve been using a SoClean 2 ozone generating machine to sterilize my CPAP mask/hose/headgear for a couple years. I have COPD and realize that the ozone can be bad if breathed in before it dissipates and returns to plain oxygen which is a 2 hour process after a 7 minute generation/circulation. I run my CPAP to clear anything left in the system before retiring.

I don’t know iffn it kills Wuhan virus butt it can’t hurt IF used correctly.

And I still wash my mask/gasket along with my hands before making coffee in the morning.

I thought XTARS post was pretty informative, thank you for putting it up.

30 years ago, a friend started selling custom Ozone generators that were suppose to be fantastic both for your health and all kinds of other promises blah blah. I bought one to support my buddy. $600 was list but I paid $300 as he was a “dealer”. He used his daily and breathed in the air. I never liked it and it doesn’t smell anything like a waterfall or fresh rain to me, so used it when I wasn’t home and aired it out when I got back.

Anyway, I kept expecting buddy to flop over from cancer and he still hasn’t. We both still use them. My wife and I leave it at our home at the beach on a timer. It goes for 1/2 hour a day. When we show up we turn it off and open windows to air the place out. Works great for that, but as the MSDS noted, it does denigrate rubber substances and the rubber becomes sticky to the touch as it breaks down.

If it does that to rubber what do you think it does to the inside of your lungs?

Water will rust steel down to nothing, yet no one is saying water is unhealthy. However, again, I take care not to breath it in as I don’t like it nor do I trust it. Unlike some others:

https://www.silvermedicine.org/ozone-therapy-safety.html

https://thepowerofozone.com/116-reports-of-cancer-successfully-treated-with-ozone-therapy/

BTW, the thing I bought was an Ionator, which supposedly changes the charge on dust so that they drop out of the air, and it is also an ozonator.

UV lights only creates Ozone in specific 160 – 240 nm spectrum. This is very low and not usually what is used to kill bacteria/virus DNA at higher spectrums. Although most UV-C lights do cover a range of spectrums, so many will produce very low amounts of ozone. But likely if you can smell it, its not advisable. There used to be a product sold by Sharper Image called the Ionic Breeze. Remember that? It produced a lot of Ozone, and there was a law suite involved. In general however most UV lights in filters don’t produce much ozone.

Just be careful as you read that FDA hasn’t approved any of those machines for use to clean CPAP machines and related gear. Also ozone will also oxidize the plastic, so they will become brittle faster over time. Also Ozone tends to bleach man made materials such as plastic/foam etc… I’m pretty sure it kills viruses, because there are medical facilities that use it to dissinfect equipment since in gas form it can penetrate areas easier, that are difficult to reach by light or fluids. But they follow strict protocols and dissipation. To be on the safe side even 2 hour process isn’t quite enough as it barely reaches the half life of the gas. I’ve read closer to 3 hours.

If you read online, the devices are banned in any form in California, however Hotel chains (even in California) use it on a regular basis to “freshen up” their rooms, without claims of disinfection. People enter those rooms way too soon before allowing the gas to dissipate. In the long run it will damage their health.

Yeap, most people don’t realize how corrosive/oxidizing this stuff is. Luckily your lungs do have a capacity to repair itself over time. There is a reason why it even kills dust mites. Also read online, it will also kill electronic equipment much faster (so don’t use it to disinfect electronic equipment like your phone. Most man made polymers will become brittle and crack easier, and most likely become bleached. Organic materials like cotton won’t be as bad (like many face masks). Also car dealers and house mold abatement folks use it to get rid of mold in your vent pipes and crawl space, or to get rid of smoke and mildew smells.

In general in the lower atmosphere it is very bad for peoples health. All electric motors generate it, so don’t think cars like Teslas aren’t poluting the air. When all cars become electric, we will have a whole set of other problems. Sure it will dissipate but not in minutes. More like hours (but that’s for another discussion).

Ozones main benefit in the upper atmosphere is that it blocks the harmful UV rays we get. Including most of the UV-C. If it wasn’t there life as we know it won’t survive with so much UV-C and UV-B and A to a lesser degree.

The SoClean 2 is definitely NOT banned in California. My masks, hoses, water reservoirs are all replaced on a recommended schedule and I haven’t seen discoloration nor cracks/brittleness in my regular use. As I said I purge the system before masking up. I consider it a safe efficient way to sanitize my CPAP.

Do you still wash your tubing? I only ask because ozone doesn’t remove particulate matter, I would imagine you get dust and particles accumulating in there.

Yes, butt not daily as I do the mask which is against my face. Basically the only particulates that end up in the tube is what I exhale or cough as there are filters on the intake and my exhalation is against the incoming 10+ psi and exits through portals on the underside of the mask/hose connector. Now that I have the SoClean, I usually wash the hose biweekly.

Gotcha, thanks for the reply.