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What kind of batteries was it?

I tried twice with no luck[ a pm and post on another thread] and still do not want to start a thread for this. Hopefully someone here takes the time and gives me the answer!

I am getting NOCTIGON K1 with Anduril firmware[First light with this]

This is about Anduril firmware. Specifically the THERMAL CONFIGURATION SETTING.

Are there any pauses or blinks to confirm each phase?

Do I simply just transition from 1. CURRENT TEMP. CALIBRATION[Thermal config. mode] Right into 2. Temperature limit?

Part of manual below


Thermal configuration Look at a thermometer to check the current room
temperature. Let us assume it says 21 Celsius.
Turn the light off and wait for its temperature to settle
to room temperature.
Go to TempCheck (from OFF: “Click Click Click”. Ascend
with double-clicks three times)
When you are in TempCheck, then click 4 times to enter
thermal config mode, and calibrate the sensor.

Thermal config mode has
two settings:

  1. Current temperature
    Calibration. Click once per
    degree C to calibrate the
    sensor. For our example,
    the ambient temperature
    is 21 C = click 21 times.
  2. Temperature limit. This
    sets the maximum
    temperature the light can
    reach before it will start
    doing thermal regulation
    to keep itself from
    overheating. Click once
    per degree C above 30. For example, to set the limit to
    50 C, click 20 times. The default is 45 C (15 clicks).
    Hint: If you don’t click, the lamp will leave the value
    unchanged. The lowest value the user can set is 31 C,
    by clicking once.

_

IF there are no pauses and/or waiting for blinks to proceed between phases,below is what it should look like.

3 clicks
3 double clicks
4 clicks[enter config. mode]
21 clicks[21C/70F] equals Current Temp. Calibration
50 clicks-sets Temp limit to 80C/176F

Thank you

Those are old chemistry (2012) with a ton of voltage sag. I don’t know what kind of driver the TN40S uses, but if it’s a Buck or Boost driver the voltage sag might have been too great. We saw the same issue in the BLF GT when people used 4 of the Panny B. When fully charged the voltage sag was so great that after just 10 seconds it could not stay in regulation and output suffered. I would guess the driver in the TN40S just turns off when the voltage sag can’t sustain Turbo. That’s odd, you would think they would design it to just step down to the next power level.

The cells are not protected, right? Some Boost drivers will draw more current as the battery voltage drops. This can trip protection circuits if they are low amperage like 3A.

Yes.

It will make more sense once you try it.

You go to where it blinks out the current temperature (when light is room temp inside and out) then you click 4 times fast.

You’ll see a single blink and then a fast “flutter”. It’s like a dim strobe. While its fluttering you do your current room temp clicks.

Once you pause you will see it blink twice and do another flutter. This is when you click your max limit.

After a pause it will go back to flashing out the current temp.

Protected Panny B have even more voltage sag! Not good for anything drawing medium to high current. The flashlight turning off does sound like a protection circuit tripping. When one trips it puts more amperage on the others causing them to trip. I think the TN40S is 7.2 volt so 2S2P. So one cell tripping a bit early will end up cutting all power.

I use my protected Panny B in low amperage lights only. They work fine there.

Thanks alot. :+1:

I knew there had to be some recognition/signal that a sequence was complete.

The GA came out in 2015 and is the replacement for the B. It is a bit old, but the chemistry is still pretty close to current batteries. The B is rated at 4.8A continuous while the GA is rated at 10A. That’s a big difference plus there is a lot less voltage sag. I’d say the GA is a modern high capacity cell just like the LG MJ1 and Samsung 35E which also came out in 2015. They are all pretty close with max continuous output of 8 to 10 amps. The B model was truly an older generation.

See the comparison at 1A and 3A. A really big difference for about the same capacity.

At 5 amp it’s an even bigger difference. So there’s nothing wrong with the GA. It’s a good choice for when you need the highest capacity.

I did a video just focusing on the Anduril Thermal Configuration. I hope it is clear.

Thanks Jason. I will take notes and study it!I need to, memory is not that great. If I can not grasp I will send light to you.Lol!

It will get hot. Noctigon K1 with SBT-90.2

Personally I like Narsil better. Very simple steps to disable step down.Done in 10 seconds.

One factor is when were they manufactured. Just because two batteries have the same name, that does not mean they are identical if from different production lots. At times they make modifications of the electrolyte and its additives, etc. as time passes. So it might not be the same old battery. Wish they would share more with us, but they do not want to share with their competitors.

I’m not so sure about that. If they change the chemical mix then they have to go through the entire testing and safety certification procedure. If they change the mix then they usually change the name also. For example the short lived Samsung 48G that they quickly replaced with the 50E just because it was a tiny bit better.

A Panny B made and bought today should perform just like they did when they first came out. No better or worse. Just my opinion on the subject.

@JasonWW you may right, but it does happen. We do not know how often.
From docware on a different thread-
The study is dated 19.4.2017, cells are Panasonic NCR18650PD. You can read the whole study here :

The study states:
As these cathodic side reactions are not observed in the second study, it is assumed that slight changes in the functional materials, such as modifications of the electrolyte and its additives, have reduced the cathodic side reactions of the cells examined in the second aging study, which were produced several months later.

Contacted Acebeam 1 week ago and no response. I want another carrier for my X65 MINI.

Does anyone know why the K60 battery carrier does not work in the X65 MINI? Carriers[battery config.] look the same. Only difference appears to be the shape and size of contact point at either end.

Could it be the type of metal? Aluminum vs. brass like?

K60 ON LEFT. X65 MINI ON Right

There could be slight differences in length. Take off the battery tube and press the carrier against the driver. See if it works.

Are the center springs the same height in both lights?

I see the driver spring on the K60 is a lot longer. Maybe the center post of the K60 carrier is too low to contact the shorter spring on the X65 driver.

K60 carrier worked when I pressed it against driver.

K60 battery tube is longer and has spring at bottom. X65 has NO spring at bottom. Maybe that is why?

K60

X65vn MINI

Together-K60 on Left

Yes, there you go. The battery tube needs to push the carrier against the driver to get both positive and negative to make contact. You would need to add a spacer to the X65 tail cap to push it forward more. Maybe some foam or cardboard will work.

That makes sense. The carriers are basically identical and when the light is tightened there is good contact.