Super value C8+: Neal's own brand, with XHP50.2 or the Osram CSLNM1.1G THROWER LED, now available

I hope they are comming from convoy but just rebranded. Can somebody confirm?

Neal’s C8+ hosts are sourced from Wainlight. Some other parts are sourced from his contacts in the industry.

Take a close look at the pics, from the host to the internal parts, the reflector, the tailcap/spring assembly…not you would expect from a complete small thrower Osram light at just about $20!

I got one of the white flat c8s ($15USD one) but ended up using it as a host for another white flat on copper MCPCB, and a 5A driver from Convoy, as the one that comes with it is 8*7135, so 2.8A. Thing is a monster; I’ll do throw measurements on it tonight. (Unrelated, I know, but good to see what’s possible)

Would you mind linking to the driver you’re using please

I used this four-mode one, but now there’s also the Biscotti-clone one available.

So with a 5A driver and wf1 on copper mcpcb, I got 8966 lux at 5m, which is 224150 cd, which is 946.89m of ANSI throw.

5m is too close for a thrower like this. I do 10 or 15m otherwise you can get a higher reading.

The reading also depends on how accurate your light meter is.

At 4.7A (same 5 amp driver) I got 975m. I thought that was accurate until I saw 1lumen’s review on the FT03 SST40 at 950m while I got 1040m. I think my meter is reading too high. The review was using quite an expensive meter so I reckon their’s would be more accurate than mine.

Make sure you do the test outside otherwise the light reflecting off the walls will add to the result. Inside vs outside gives 20-30m difference.

Neal’s is only driven at 2.8A so it’s certainly not the claimed 1000m or the 700 lumens. Mine at 4.7A gets 720 so 2.8A certainly isn’t 700

Yeah, will have to do a test outside; pretty rainy here tonight.

That said, I reviewed the E10 (will be up on 1lumen soon) and got similar results at 5m inside to 10m outside, with outside giving slightly more distance. Zeroair got similar results to me, so I’m inclined to believe my lux meter.

Food for thought! Will replicate outside when the weather is nicer.

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The CSLPM1.1G w/copper MCPCB model I bought is using a BLF A6 driver and is reading >4A on a 30Q using a regular mulitmeter with regular thin probe wires.

Looks like Neal’s C8+ Osram is the same as the Wainlight C8+ Osram NM1 in BG.

I measure 2.8 Amps max on the Wainlight C8+ Osram NM1, so probably somewhere like 500+ real lumens? (I have a lux meter but don’t have an integrating tube for measuring…)

I tried comparing visually a Convoy C8+ SST40 (“ramp” driver, which pushes around 7 Amps tailcap current on the SST40 LED), versus the C8+ Osram NM1 (2.8 Amps tailcap current) — the C8+ Osram appears to have a more intense (brighter) hotspot than the C8+ SST40 @ 7Amps. Although I find the C8+ Osram usability to depend on the situation, since it lights up a very small spot…

The driver on both my Neal C8 and the WF one in the OP clearly have A6 drivers though, not sure how that would be limited to 2.8A since it only has 1x7135 AFAIK.

Anybody have pics of the Wainlight driver? There may be different ones used for WF 1mm vs 2mm

Hi,

I have the WF1 version, and it comes with the same diver as you can see in the review, the green one with 8x7135. One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere is that it comes with 3/5 mode firmware, the same that old convoys came with I think. I have just ordered a 5A driver, as a little more throw doesn’t hurt, and I really hate this firmware.

Oh I’m dumb, didn’t even realize it’s the XHP50.2 version in the first post that has the A6 driver. My guess is that 8x7135 (probably just spare Convoy or clone 3/5 mode ones) is being used for the WF1 versions since they’re more sensitive to current and A6 is used for the WF2 since it can handle more, and the host isn’t super low resistance anyway.

whats the kcd on the C8 Osram?

If I recall people were getting 800m+ with the WF2 and 900m+ with the WF1 with drivers that ran them near their optimal output.

One thing to note is that while the WF2 alredy comes with a driver that pushes the led hard, the WF1 comes with the 2.8A driver, so if your are not willing to mod, the throw may be very similar (or even better for the WF2 maybe?). In addition, the UI that comes with the WF1 is just outdated and very unconfortable (if you use low for short periods of time, it has happened to me twice in two days that I have enabled the blinky modes just by turning off by accident just after the blink…).

Just saying because if I knew this before purchasing, I think I would have purchased the WF2, and maybe other people are in the same situation. 6 euro for a new driver is significant if we are talking about a 20 euro light, and if you don’t have the tools for modding it, it adds up. Maybe if you don’t want it for higher output, but for sustained output, the WF1 is better.

Absolutely agreed, I never liked the 3/5-mode UI at all. Reason I went for the WF2 was just for a bit wider beam and I really lucked out I guess.

Wish Neal would have had some more info on the page for those trying to decide between the versions.

The Wainlight C8+ Osram NM1 comes with the same Convoy 5/3-modes driver 7135x8 (2.8 Amps max), it has the same “blink on Low mode” to toggle 5 vs 3 modes.

I see mention of “WF1” and “WF2” = what are these?

Also have a question, assuming the 5/3-modes 7135x8 driver on the Osram NM1 was changed to the BLF A6 driver, is there a possibility of burning out the Osram LED?
Won’t the BLF A6 use more than 5 Amps when used on the Osram LED, let’s assume with use a fully-charged Samsung 30Q battery.

Or is there some other ready-to-purchase driver replacement that tops out to 4-4.5 Amps? So the Osram gets pushed harder, but hopefully not as bad as going higher than 5 or higher Amps,
(I’m thinking of the Convoy 4-mode driver for SST40 will be usable for the Osram NM1)

WF1 is CSLNM1.TG and WF2 is CSLPM1.TG, the “1” and “2” refer to the 1mm vs 2mm square surface area on the phosphor.

You’re absolutely correct that the A6 drive could be too much for the NM1. That does depend on whether the host and driver is actually low enough resistance to get 5A or more to the emitter. The 5A Convoy CC driver would absolutely be superior for it, along with having IMO a better interface.