DHart
(DHart)
June 29, 2020, 7:33am
42
I’ve read that the SST40 has a greenish tint shift at med to low levels?
DHart
(DHart)
June 29, 2020, 7:34am
43
Good question! Do these have a greenish corona around the central beam, as the XHP50.2 does?
If not, I’m sure I’d be thrilled with moving to XHP70.2 in neutral tint.
mortuus
(mortuus)
June 29, 2020, 7:42am
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DHart:
Good question! Do these have a greenish corona around the central beam, as the XHP50.2 does?
If not, I’m sure I’d be thrilled with moving to XHP70.2 in neutral tint.
No idea, i dont own any light with that emitter sadly… but i just placed order for the FW21 from neals… need this light haha
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 2:44pm
45
What is the best battery for this light (NightwatchNSX3) for Max output? Samsung 30t? 40t? Button top, flat top, both?
I have a sofirn 21700 40a
and an ijoy 20700 40a
I don’t know if they are enough to do the job. Thanks for the input!
ch1ir:
What is the best battery for this light (NightwatchNSX3) for Max output? Samsung 30t? 40t? Button top, flat top, both?
I have a sofirn 21700 40a
and an ijoy 20700 40a
I don’t know if they are enough to do the job. Thanks for the input!
Max output bar none: Samsung 30T
Best all around 21700: Molicel P42a and/or Samsung 40T
I have 2 molicells and 2 40Ts.
I’ll see if I can do a full charge output test
I don’t think the type of top matters unless you arent getting contact…
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 3:37pm
47
Rockenrooster:
ch1ir:
What is the best battery for this light (NightwatchNSX3) for Max output? Samsung 30t? 40t? Button top, flat top, both?
I have a sofirn 21700 40a
and an ijoy 20700 40a
I don’t know if they are enough to do the job. Thanks for the input!
Max output bar none: Samsung 30T
Best all around 21700: Molicel P42a and/or Samsung 40T
I have 2 molicells and 2 40Ts.
I’ll see if I can do a full charge output test
I don’t think the type of top matters unless you arent getting contact…
do you have a suggestion on where to buy in the states
Flat top.
Imrbatteries.com is where I bought mine.
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 3:50pm
49
Thank you!
Is there any harm is trying the ijoy or the sofirn? They are both rated at 40 max amps
Link to ijoy I have
I appreciate your help!
No harm, you might not even be able to “see” the difference.
DHart
(DHart)
June 29, 2020, 6:15pm
51
40 amps is plenty - IF you can trust the rating.
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 4:28pm
52
I just didn’t know if there was any chance of harming the battery or light I’m still noob
This is incorrect. Those are fake rating and usually top out at 15 amps or so
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 5:00pm
54
Well damn, I guess it Samsung 40T time
mortuus
(mortuus)
June 29, 2020, 5:19pm
55
40T is the best battery if u want decent runtimes and plenty of amps to run this kind of lights.
Ok I just tested my fully charged 40T against one of my Molicell P42a in my FW21 Pro (turbo of course).
My homemade lux meter box results (highest @ turn on using):
P42a: ~16,600 lux
40T: ~13,800 lux
(Note that these results are relative to me only)
I am not able to detect a visual difference in regular usage (dark room or outside), but the difference is measurable with a meter.
I’ve decided to reserve my Molicells for my FW21 Pro and use the 40Ts when I get my E07.
In my research, I prefer the Molicel INR-21700-P42A, which is pretty similar to the 40T.
I haven't bought any 21700 cells yet, however.
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 5:59pm
58
Rockenrooster:
Ok I just tested my fully charged 40T against one of my Molicell P42a in my FW21 Pro (turbo of course).
My homemade lux meter box results (highest @ turn on using):
P42a: ~16,600 lux
40T: ~13,800 lux
(Note that these results are relative to me only)
I am not able to detect a visual difference in regular usage (dark room or outside), but the difference is measurable with a meter.
I’ve decided to reserve my Molicells for my FW21 Pro and use the 40Ts when I get my E07.
Thanks man! I grabbed a 30t and a 42a, I reckon I’m covered. Now to wait and see who arrives first!
Incorrect in the rated mah and amps? Or incorrect in saying that they would work?
Because, They would technically work, but depending on the quality of the cells, you just won’t be using the full potential of the flashlight. And the voltage would sag more and maybe trip the LVC and step down sooner.
Also, I am able to use super old 18650s from old laptop batteries just fine in a FW21 Pro, I just can’t use Turbo mode at all, because it instantly trips LVC.
It’s my understanding that the drivers in these flashlights don’t “force” X amount of amps regardless of battery, they “ask” and then the battery gives what it can provide (depending on internal resistance, the lower the better).
In any case IMR/INR cells are better with the 30T for “max amps/output regardless of runtime”, P42a and 40T for “all around Amperage/Output and Runtime” (with the Molicell slightly better in my testing).
ICR cells will work (samsung 50E), but voltage will sag a lot and won’t provide maximum ouput like IMR/INR batteries can, but they will last much longer in all modes besides turbo.
Considering my personal experience I would first go for Molicel P42a, if those aren’t available, then Samsung 40T. I don’t really see the point of the 30T as it has much lower capacity with only marginally better output only when fully charged.
Go check Mooch’s and HKJ’s battery reviews, They are well respected by flashlight/vape enthusiasts and agrees that 30T is for “max output” and the Molicell P42a is slightly better than the 40T.
These tests below only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using...
Molicel INR21700-P42A 4200mAh (Gray)
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Official specifications:
Rated typical capacity: 4200mAh
Rated minimum capacity: 4000mAh
Nominal voltage: 3.6V
Standard charge current: 4.2A
Maximum charge current: 8.4A
End of charge voltage: 4.20V +/-0.05V
Continuous discharge current: 45A (Cycle life is reduced at high rates)
End of discharge voltage: 2.5V
Typical impedance: <15mOhm AC 1kHz
Cycle life: 500 cycles at 4.2A charge and 10A discharge for 80%
Operating te…
Rockenrooster:
Incorrect in the rated mah and amps? Or incorrect in saying that they would work?
Because, They would technically work, but depending on the quality of the cells, you just won’t be using the full potential of the flashlight. And the voltage would sag more and maybe trip the LVC and step down sooner.
Also, I am able to use super old 18650s from old laptop batteries just fine in a FW21 Pro, I just can’t use Turbo mode at all, because it instantly trips LVC.
It’s my understanding that the drivers in these flashlights don’t “force” X amount of amps regardless of battery, they “ask” and then the battery gives what it can provide (depending on internal resistance, the lower the better).
In any case IMR/INR cells are better with the 30T for “max amps/output regardless of runtime”, P42a and 40T for “all around Amperage/Output and Runtime” (with the Molicell slightly better in my testing).
ICR cells will work (samsung 50E), but voltage will sag a lot and won’t provide maximum ouput like IMR/INR batteries can, but they will last much longer in all modes besides turbo.
Considering my personal experience I would first go for Molicel P42a, if those aren’t available, then Samsung 40T. I don’t really see the point of the 30T as it has much lower capacity with only marginally better output only when fully charged.
Go check Mooch’s and HKJ’s battery reviews, They are well respected by flashlight/vape enthusiasts and agrees that 30T is for “max output” and the Molicell P42a is slightly better than the 40T.
Bench Retest Results: Molicel P42A 4000mAh 21700...beats 40T, one of the best batteries available | E-Cigarette Forum
Test/review of Molicel INR21700-P42A 4200mAh (Gray)
I’m saying sofirn and ijoy cells have a 40A manufacturer’s discharge rating but when tested are only good for 15 or so amp discharging. It’s outright fraud.
The P42A is the best high discharge+capacity 21700, with the 30T being the absolute high drain cell with the trade off being capacity.
40T would be an alternative for the P42A if they’re not available or too expensive.
ch1ir
(ch1ir)
June 29, 2020, 6:45pm
61
Sunnysunsun:
Rockenrooster:
Incorrect in the rated mah and amps? Or incorrect in saying that they would work?
Because, They would technically work, but depending on the quality of the cells, you just won’t be using the full potential of the flashlight. And the voltage would sag more and maybe trip the LVC and step down sooner.
Also, I am able to use super old 18650s from old laptop batteries just fine in a FW21 Pro, I just can’t use Turbo mode at all, because it instantly trips LVC.
It’s my understanding that the drivers in these flashlights don’t “force” X amount of amps regardless of battery, they “ask” and then the battery gives what it can provide (depending on internal resistance, the lower the better).
In any case IMR/INR cells are better with the 30T for “max amps/output regardless of runtime”, P42a and 40T for “all around Amperage/Output and Runtime” (with the Molicell slightly better in my testing).
ICR cells will work (samsung 50E), but voltage will sag a lot and won’t provide maximum ouput like IMR/INR batteries can, but they will last much longer in all modes besides turbo.
Considering my personal experience I would first go for Molicel P42a, if those aren’t available, then Samsung 40T. I don’t really see the point of the 30T as it has much lower capacity with only marginally better output only when fully charged.
Go check Mooch’s and HKJ’s battery reviews, They are well respected by flashlight/vape enthusiasts and agrees that 30T is for “max output” and the Molicell P42a is slightly better than the 40T.
Bench Retest Results: Molicel P42A 4000mAh 21700...beats 40T, one of the best batteries available | E-Cigarette Forum
Test/review of Molicel INR21700-P42A 4200mAh (Gray)
I’m saying sofirn and ijoy cells have a 40A manufacturer’s discharge rating but when tested are only good for 15 or so amp discharging. It’s outright fraud.
The P42A is the best high discharge+capacity 21700, with the 30T being the absolute high drain cell with the trade off being capacity.
40T would be an alternative for the P42A if they’re not available or too expensive.
I appreciate you guys taking time out for me to make the safest/best choice