WTB: Jetbeam RRT01 – Any place to buy it?! + [RRT01 2019 discussion]

High, in the hot spot. I think you don’t notice as much cause the corona and spill are lower DUV and the hot spot on high is a bit bright up close.

Edit; I took out the lens and measured 4043K CCT and 0.0022 DUV so a non-AR lens would help too.

Edit2; 2020 version lens is 22.81mm x 1.43mm (or close enough) and fits pretty snug

I highlighted the CRI R9 (Red Spectrum) above… its a negative number

negative R9 and positive R9 visualized as a Red Bar…

Negative R9 is Bad!

Yikes on cri! Double yikes on r9! This light seems made (at least destined) for swapping. They just threw in the two brightest pos’ they could find so they could write some big numbers, that also have all the brand recognition with em! Haha. Its like my fenix light with sst20. How bad could it be? It was really bad.

I was going to use rubber sheeting that i have at work to remove bezel but my calloused palms were sufficient. Only the pressure of the oring under the glass was holding mine in. The other side was a different story, i got inspired to try my strength on the control ring and cut up said palms.

Also interested in the tir spoken of earlier. Requesting post pic / link when you can please.

Edit-
After undoing bezel many times started with the rubber strips i cut from the sheeting. It’s a semi glossy stiff rubber approx 1/8 thick so it kind of creates a vacuum snd grips the bezel really well.

we think alike
they definitely game the system with the terms Neutral White Nichia

anyway… sales and politics aside… really glad youre getting to swap some LEDs and experience the UI

hope it becomes useful in some niche of your use patterns, thanks for all the info and pics youre sharing

questions for anyone:
is the 2020 reflector the same as the 2019?
is the 2020 driver the same as 2019?

woah!
I was not paying attention when you said that the first time
thats nasty, but interesting

whats the tradeoff if we remove the coating?
what percent of output lost?
what to use to strip AR coating? :slight_smile:
is that too many questions? LOL

when I got sapphire lenses for some V11r, I noticed they seemed clearer (maybe just clean)… but they seemed to lack AR coating, no purple/blue/green reflection from the suface of the glass.

The reflector is definitely not the same, as the 2019 version was smooth and the 2020 in OP. Also, the 2020 has a bigger LED oppening and a different centering gasket is used. Finally, I did not put them next to each other, but believe that the 2020 reflector is larger in both dimensions. The 2020 creates a much smoother beam, with no rings or artifacts that I can see.

The driver is the same, I have both seen it and had it verified by Jetbeam that they have not changed the driver. It is a pity they did not take the opportunity to address the driver’s shortcomings.

An LED swap to Nichia 219b sw35 has created a far better and usable light than I ever expected, given the increased bulk.

Now, I am thinking of adding trits in the tail lanyard holes. They are too short for 6mm x 1.5mm trits but will fit 5mm x 1.2mm trits fine. Does anyone know the best method to do that, since the holes are open on both sides? I am thinking of running electrical tape on the inside, install the trits, cure the glue and removing the tape. Any better / tried methods?

LED swap:

Shaved LH351D 5000K from AEDe’s last batch

I cut flat parts on the centering ring so it would not “rock” against screw heads and clear my solder blobs. It sits nice and even now.

The spare garden hose washer you get with sprayers and hoses to work with bezel.

Very nice result. This is on high, in hot spot, using stock glass. If I replaced the glass it would be even lower DUV.

lovely
thanks for the pics
do you know the percent change in output after swap?

Not sure about before, too ugly to measure. Now it’s ~640 lumens assuming my measuring stuff is remotely accurate after 9 months

thats a Lot of Lumens! maybe someone else can report the unmodified output.

2012 Original RRT-01, on my meter
sw45k
260 lumens

stock xml
390 lumens

the sw45k is 33% less bright than the stock xml, and I Love it!

Low Lumens need love as much as phat chicks do.

Another interesting thing I noticed is the XP-L version of the new model apparently comes with a smooth reflector and Nichia this Light OP model. Nice that they created both if they are willing to sell parts down the road.

besides the texture,
is there also a difference in bottom hole size,
and do they use different centering rings

inquiring minds like pictures… LOL
thanks for all the info shared :beer:

One thing that surprised me - the neutral white RRT-01 and RRT03 supposedly both use Nichia emitters, but they are very clearly from different bins:

  • RRT-01 2020 neutral white: very warm color temp. Maybe 3500 or 4000K. Low CRI. Slightly greenish at lower power. Really not that great.
  • RRT-03 neutral tint: cooler color temp than RRT-01. Maybe 4500K. Rosy tint. Rosier than any of my XPL HI Leds. Reminds me a lot of the rosy-tinted Nichia 219B. The stock RRT-03 emitters are superb. Possibly the best color temperature and tint of any light I own.

I don’t have the capability to measure CRI, but it seems a lot better than in the RRT-01. The overall beam pattern looks much better than my high-CRI SST-20 lights (even the good tint bin ones in the FW3A), but reds still don’t pop as much as with the SST-20.

The 219C sm403 that I’ve had have varied greatly between even different examples of the exact same light (bought a bunch of IYP07s for gifts). Some have been nice and rosy with a slightly cooler, maybe 4200Kish? temp while others are greenish at everything but high modes and are a bit warmer. Lower R9 vs SST-20 4000K sounds consistent with that too.

i kept wondering why you guys were talking op reflector. i have smooth reflector because they sent me an xpl (Even though i had asked for nichia) .

now i’d like to compare op vs smooth. i know the theoretical differences. contractor, your shots were with op yes? mine were smooth…

The orange peel is very light so it’s probably only ~15% less throwy with the hot spot to corona transition being less defined and more smoothed out. The spill is more “even” edge to edge where as SMO kind of fades out more and more as it reaches the edge.


My 2019 is with smooth reflector and 219B. I fixed the focus a bit better by using 3 layers of kapton tape under the reflector very carefully cut and ditched the centering ring. YMMV.

My 2020 originally had Nichia so it has a light OP reflector. I don’t have the 2020 model in smooth/xpl version to compare.

Now that I have changed the emitter and sliced it I doubt the comparison is of any use. Too many variables.

Dont forget TIR blends the more desirable part (the front) of the beam MUCH better and SMO reflector especially brings out the worst in most LEDs.

agree!

caveat, the tradeoff for enjoying a larger hotspot, is larger battery drain

assume the center of each beam is at the same brightness:

However if that pic was comparing the same emitter in the same model of light, it means the one on the right would be a larger - and therefore very likely more efficient emitter - too.

For example, between my SC64 LE and H600c, the 600c matches the LE in throw at every submode but has a significantly wider hotspot and brighter spill. AFAIK the current draw at each submode is very similar between all current gen Zebras (based on comparing runtimes for different models).

Can anyone w stock nichia single and/ or triple post a couple beam shots? Preferably versus something nice. Would like to see what could’ve been…. and doesn’t rrt03 have secondaries? Any unbiased pics? (Not from the company’s marketing dept)

IYP07 on left, RRT01 on right. Both stock emitters - 219C 4000K 9050 vs 7000? Set to mid mode which is ~40lm on the 07 IIRC, and tried to match it with the RRT01. Wall in the second pic is stark white.