How do you think about YAKORSEI GD12 TNO flashlight ?

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How do you think about YAKORSEI GD12 TNO flashlight ?

Hello BLFers,

We are developing a TNO flashlight( tactical and outdoor), how come? It is a flashlight with tactical OS(Operation System) and outdoor OS, controlled via a side switch and a rear switch, check out the look of it with the pictures below

Design:

User Interface:

Tactical OS
ON/OFF: Click on the rear switch to turn on or turn off the flashlight.
Instant Turbo: From off, single tap on the rear switch to activate Instant Turbo, and further click to turn constant on Turbo.
Instant Strobe: From off, double tap on the rear switch to activate instant Strobe, and further click to get into constant Strobe.
Output levels: From on, click on the side switch to swap between Turbo <=> Low, designed to be always turned on Turbo. Double click to activate Strobe, Triple click to activate SOS, single click to return to constant on.
Sum up( Always to turned on Turbo, Instant Turbo, Instant Strobe, switch between Turbo-Low, Turbo-Strobe).

Outdoor OS
ON/OFF: Click on the rear switch to turn on or turn off the flashlight.
Memorized output startup: From off, single tap on the rear switch to activate the output level on which it was turned off last time, and further click to turn constant on that output.
Moonlight startup: From off, double tap on the rear switch to activate instant Moonlight, and further click to get into constant Moonlight.
Output levels: From on, click on the side switch to cycle through Turbo-Low-Med-High. Double click to activate Strobe, Triple click to activate SOS, single click to go back to constant on.
Sum up( Memorized output startup, Moonlight startup, Hidden SOS).

OS switching
From ON, press and hold the side switch for 3s to switch between Tactical and Outdoor OS, flashes 3 time to turn on low for outdoor OS, while flashes 1 time to turn on Turbo for tactical OS.

Instant tactical OS: From OFF, press and hold the side switch and click the rear switch to turn on Turbo on Tactical mode.——You don’t need to go through a complicated operation.

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You are welcome to comment below to talk about how you think about this flashlight.

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We would like to hear your opinion about it. Any comment will be appreciated.

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What if i want to be tactical whilst outdoors? is there a mode for that? Big Smile

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You can switch either via 1. press and hold the side switch when the flashlight is ON. or 2. Hold the side switch and click on the rear switch from OFF.

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jp9mm wrote:
What if i want to be tactical whilst outdoors? is there a mode for that? Big Smile

Thanks for your comment. It has operation systems switching, you can switch between Tactical OS and Outdoor OS according to your demand.

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IMHO, the UI looks okay except for one thing in the Outdoor OS:

Turbo mode is in the standard mode order and strobe will be accessed via doubleclick. I would rather remove Turbo mode from the standard cycle and access it via doubleclick while strobe could be accessed via tripleclick and SOS via quadrupleclick. Personally, I would remove strobe mode completely and only leave SOS mode available by tripleclick.

A second mode group for ramping (stepless brightness control) would be a nice add-on. Most people here seem to like CLICK for ON/OFF and HOLD for mode cycling. A lower moonlight than 11lm would also be great.

 

What driver is being used in this flashlight? (e.g. constant current or direct drive)

What LED is being used? 1.600lm max looks like XP-L HI to me.

What CCT / tint did you choose? Anything above 5.700K is often considered as (too) coldwhite.

Do you use an OP or SMO reflector or a TIR lens?

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

IMHO, the UI looks okay except for one thing in the Outdoor OS:


Turbo mode is in the standard mode order and strobe will be accessed via doubleclick. I would rather remove Turbo mode from the standard cycle and access it via doubleclick while strobe could be accessed via tripleclick and SOS via quadrupleclick. Personally, I would remove strobe mode completely and only leave SOS mode available by tripleclick.


A second mode group for ramping (stepless brightness control) would be a nice add-on. Most people here seem to like CLICK for ON/OFF and HOLD for mode cycling. A lower moonlight than 11lm would also be great.


 


What driver is being used in this flashlight? (e.g. constant current or direct drive)


What LED is being used? 1.600lm max looks like XP-L HI to me.


What CCT / tint did you choose? Anything above 5.700K is often considered as (too) coldwhite.


Do you use an OP or SMO reflector or a TIR lens?

Hi Lux-Perpetua, thanks for your comment,

We have considered double click for Turbo at the beginning, but then Strobe will go to triple click, and it will take longer time to carry out Strobe, and if you need Strobe, normally should be using it during a emergency, therefore you will expect it to come out more quickly.

We will consider ramping in our other products, you mentioned moonlight, but do you mean 1lm when you said 11lm because we already set moonlight 1lm?

Answers to your questions:
1. Constant current with Temp Auto Regulation
2-3. SST40 6000-6500K
4. SMO reflector

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Looks interesting. Its a common size format and good to see you are lifting the lumen level to 1600 as there are many models on the market of a similar design with 1000.
You may want to consider offering warmer tints too on the led.

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(1) when on, press & hold the sideswitch should turn the light off (standby), allowing using the light without the tailswitch.

(2) delete mode memory register after moon-mode was activated, i.e. the next mode should be low.

(3) low is not low enough, think about 10 to 20 lumen.

(4) 11 lumen is not moon. Should by lower than 1 lumen.

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2-3. SST40 6000-6500K

Consider 5000K. The SST-40 is beautiful in this tint, still white.

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Yeah, 6500K is so last year…

I think Folomov had “tactical” and “outdoor” modes similarly. Nitefox, too.

Anything with blinkies not very well hidden is disliked by many. By the time someone thinks, “Oh, there’s someone trying to kill me, let me doubleclick to start strobe”, he dead. Strobe just annoys and angers killers, makes them want to kill you more.

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Rolz wrote:
Looks interesting. Its a common size format and good to see you are lifting the lumen level to 1600 as there are many models on the market of a similar design with 1000. You may want to consider offering warmer tints too on the led.

Hi Rolz, thanks for the comment. What tints do you think will be proper?

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Unheard wrote:
(1) when on, press & hold the sideswitch should turn the light off (standby), allowing using the light without the tailswitch.

(2) delete mode memory register after moon-mode was activated, i.e. the next mode should be low.

(3) low is not low enough, think about 10 to 20 lumen.

(4) 11 lumen is not moon. Should by lower than 1 lumen.

YAKORSEI wrote:
2-3. SST40 6000-6500K
Consider 5000K. The SST-40 is beautiful in this tint, still white.

Hi Unheard, thanks for your comment.
(1)Total without using tailswitch, we may need to apply dual battery tubes. If you need to click the tailswitch first, then it is not a problem, then it is not as good as a flashlight with only side switch, in this case we will have product like this in near future.
(2)That works exactly like that, once you activate Moonlight, click on side switch you will go to Low.
(3)10-20 lumens for what kind of scenario?
(4)I also assume Lux-P meant 1 lumen.

5000K looks a little yellowish, not sure how other people think about 5000K or if any other idea.

Picture 5000K VS 6000K

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YAKORSEI wrote:

(3)10-20 lumens for what kind of scenario?

Low for orientation in the dark, preserving battery capacity, and moon for preserving night vision. 100 lumen is already very bright, and 11 lumen will destroy night vision. Currently you have low, mid1, mid2, … but not moon.

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5000K looks a little yellowish […]

Please see with your own eyes. 5000K is neutral white and not considered yellowish.

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Lightbringer wrote:
Yeah, 6500K is so last year…

I think Folomov had “tactical” and “outdoor” modes similarly. Nitefox, too.

Anything with blinkies not very well hidden is disliked by many. By the time someone thinks, “Oh, there’s someone trying to kill me, let me doubleclick to start strobe”, he dead. Strobe just annoys and angers killers, makes them want to kill you more.

Thanks for your comment Lightbringer, yeah, can’t agree with you more, I have used flashlight with SOS and Strobe cycle with Low, Mid, High, I just put it somewhere.

Double click is not too bad, not too easy to activate. Hope to gather more idea, so that we can satisfy most people’s demand.

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I’d suggest 5000k too as an option, I know some would prefer lower too but 5000k may be a good compromise.

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I just can’t see past ‘YakHorse’ even though it doesn’t say that. Facepalm

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Unheard wrote:
YAKORSEI wrote:

(3)10-20 lumens for what kind of scenario?

Low for orientation in the dark, preserving battery capacity, and moon for preserving night vision. 100 lumen is already very bright, and 11 lumen will destroy night vision. Currently you have low, mid1, mid2, … but not moon.
YAKORSEI wrote:
5000K looks a little yellowish […]
Please see with your own eyes. 5000K is neutral white and not considered yellowish.

Thanks Unheard,
Agree with Low setting for the point of preserving battery capacity. Regards the Moon setting, now we have Moonlight output with 1 lumen. Regards the tints, are you okay with tint in the picture?

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Rolz wrote:
I’d suggest 5000k too as an option, I know some would prefer lower too but 5000k may be a good compromise.

Thanks Rolz, I hear you. Cool

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[quote=G0OSE]I just can’t see past ‘YakHorse’ even though it doesn’t say that. Facepalm
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G0OSE, the meaning of YAKORSEI is nocturnal, Japanese pronunciation.

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YAKORSEI wrote:
Regards the tints, are you okay with tint in the picture?

I know the SST-40@5000K, used it in a Convoy C8 and Sofirns SP33V3. Yes, I’d prefer it.

Your picture shows a white balance that’s a little off due to the camera seeing cold white as white. If it had used the 5000K light, the CW would look plain blue.

Edit: Please have a look at Armytek lights – IIRC, they use something like 4000K as “warm light” and 5000K as “white light”.

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Unheard wrote:
YAKORSEI wrote:
Regards the tints, are you okay with tint in the picture?

I know the SST-40@5000K, used it in a Convoy C8 and Sofirns SP33V3. Yes, I’d prefer it.

Your picture shows a white balance that’s a little off due to the camera seeing cold white as white. If it had used the 5000K light, the CW would look plain blue.

Edit: Please have a look at Armytek lights – IIRC, they use something like 4000K as “warm light” and 5000K as “white light”.

Yeah, will consider 5000K. Thanks again Unheard.

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What’s mode order on outdoor? From lowest to highest is the best in my opinion. Also when moonlight was turned on with shortcut (double tail click), the next mode (after side click) should be low.

IMO output levels should be more like 0,5 – 8 – 100 – 500 – 1600.

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g_damian wrote:
What’s mode order on outdoor? From lowest to highest is the best in my opinion. Also when moonlight was turned on with shortcut (double tail click), the next mode (after side click) should be low.

IMO output levels should be more like 0,5 – 8 – 100 – 500 – 1600.

1. Low-Mid-High-Turbo
2. If Moonlight activated, the Moonlight-Low-Mid-High-Turbo-Low-Mid-High-Turbo

Will consider output levels should be more like 0,5 – 8 – 100 – 500 – 1600, want to hear more voice. Thanks for that.

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YAKORSEI][quote=G0OSE wrote:
I just can’t see past ‘YakHorse’ even though it doesn’t say that. Facepalm
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G0OSE, the meaning of YAKORSEI is nocturnal, Japanese pronunciation.

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THAT is really good. Smile
Thank you for explaining it, I honestly think you should write that on the box and in the instructions to give it some exposure – most names are just made up – this one however has a relevant meaning, and that is rare so far as I know. Very good choice of name.
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YAKORSEI wrote:
g_damian wrote:
What’s mode order on outdoor? From lowest to highest is the best in my opinion. Also when moonlight was turned on with shortcut (double tail click), the next mode (after side click) should be low.

IMO output levels should be more like 0,5 – 8 – 100 – 500 – 1600.

1. Low-Mid-High-Turbo
2. If Moonlight activated, the Moonlight-Low-Mid-High-Turbo-Low-Mid-High-Turbo

Will consider output levels should be more like 0,5 – 8 – 100 – 500 – 1600, want to hear more voice. Thanks for that.

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G0OSE wrote:
I just can’t see past ‘YakHorse’ even though it doesn’t say that. Facepalm
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G0OSE, the meaning of YAKORSEI is nocturnal, Japanese pronunciation.

Nocturnal夜行性Yakō-sei


THAT is really good. Smile
Thank you for explaining it, I honestly think you should write that on the box and in the instructions to give it some exposure – most names are just made up – this one however has a relevant meaning, and that is rare so far as I know. Very good choice of name.

Thanks G0OSE. YAKORSEI products are like nocturnals, they may not be noticed in the daytime, but they behave well when you need them(dark, night….)

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I wouldn’t buy it unless the Outdoor OS cycles from low up to Turbo, never start in Turbo. Needs to have a double press to turbo instead.

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the Tactical OS? I’m not sure Turbo/Low would be a good set up when Turbo won’t last very long and Low could be too low. If Turbo has thermal regulation that reduces the output for longer use at higher lumens than the low of 100?

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Please see and follow these rules:

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Please DO NOT make commercial posts in any other forum categories except the Commercial Sellers' Spot.

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YAKORSEI wrote:
Hi Lux-Perpetua, thanks for your comment, We have considered double click for Turbo at the beginning, but then Strobe will go to triple click, and it will take longer time to carry out Strobe, and if you need Strobe, normally should be using it during a emergency, therefore you will expect it to come out more quickly. We will consider ramping in our other products, you mentioned moonlight, but do you mean 1lm when you said 11lm because we already set moonlight 1lm? Answers to your questions: 1. Constant current with Temp Auto Regulation 2-3. SST40 6000-6500K 4. SMO reflector

 

Sorry about my confusion of the moonlight mode. The 1lm looked like 11lm at first glance with this serif font.

As for recommendations, strobe modes of any kind are (at least on BLF & TLF) often asked to be hidden as far away as possible from the regular modes. Strobe modes are often more of a nuisance than of any help if I may add. My recommendation regarding strobe was also more focused on the OUTDOOR OS but not on the TACTICAL OS (where the importance of strobes may apply more).

Driver-wise: Constant current is good and 1.600lm should probably be in an area around 5-7A of current using SST-40. Will this light also work with 2x CR123A (6V)? What temperature threshold is set for the stepdown? Usually, we get to see lights with a 55°C threshold here.

The LED is probably a bit too cold-white to reach the majority of interested people here. Most people here favor a tint between 4.000K and 5.700K.

I really recommend following flux and chromatic bin:

SST-40-WDS-F50 N4

chromatic bin DD (~4800K)

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Give it an interchangeable flat and crenulated stainless steel bezel (sand blasted) option if you wish to go full tactical? cool

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Too many “tactical” lights are only suitable for mall-ninjas. Toy lights for showing off blinky modes no regular person would probably ever need or use. Typical picture of a light being held by someone wearing a “tactical” glove to look tough. Very bad. Very very bad.

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