"Petition" to persuade Emisar (Hank Wang) to make a larger version of D18

I was recently browsing the intl-outdoor.com webpage, considering to buy the D18, but decided against it, because its not “overpowered enough”.

Now hear me out, I know my reasoning might be rediculous, but I would like to se a larger more powerfull and modern light.

Something with maybe 4 cells in parallel like the original Q8/LT1. Or six cells in paralel for a 2x3 longer handle (paralel to make usb charging possible).

Now usb charging might sound rediculous an a unit with that many cells, but in an emergency camping/travelling with solar usb charger might prove invaluable.

Something with maybe boost/buck driver for stable output (depending on led number and arrangement) and FETs for direct FULL power output.

Something that could theoretically go above 20 000 lumen, with a good flood throw/combo (not too much of just one of those).

How many people would be interested in that? Maybe if there’s enough of us, we might be able to persuade Hank/Emisaf to do it.

Would you be interested in buying such a product? Could you also give a yes or no reason why? What feature would you like to see in a light like that?

Reserved

You’re listing way too many features that are typically not compatible.
Good flood, and good through.
4-8 cells and USB charging.
More overpowered and a good emergency light.

I think if you want to create an interest list, you should narrow down what you want to capture interest in, and I think Hank might not be the best bet since he typically doesn’t make items just because people asked for them.

I think if you find enough people who are into larger lights (lights that can go to 20K lumens or higher tend to be “larger”), and as just mentioned, trickle down to the most important features - it might work.

EDC lights are my niche and I never use my large lights, I am out unfortunately.

Fair enough man. Thanks for your opinion. I love walking my dog with Q8 and travellling with it and my LT1 in my luggage. But I get that large lights are not for everyone. Certainly not EDCable for most people

Not necessarily true in all cases. There are lights with reflector/emitter combo that has a throwy main beam and floody secondary beam. Such as Q8. Neither a thrower or a flooder, but a bit from both.

4-8 cells and USB charging are a thing. LT1 has 4x18650 in parallel with usb charging. I have seen an 6 cell chinase light with all cells parallel and USB charging. ITs not impossible.

More overpowered and good emergency light. Not sure how this one could have been seen as not compatible. In this case, emergency was meant as reliable. With high possible battery capacity. Chargable by mutiple different ways. Not as something “pocketable” or small.

I am actually in the market for a dog, so if that happens in the near future I will post here and will be back in!

Thanks for creating an interest list.

if the emergency light is a target, I would add a powerbank feature. if possible including type-c.

If you want an overpowered flashlight, buy an Imalent
And cry when you actually use it and find out a cheaper alternative will suit you better

I considered some of the items from the Imalent portfolio. They do fulfill some of the mentioned requirements (except usb charging support). But they are ridiculously overpriced. I think they priced themself righout out of acceptable range for most people. Thats why I was thinking: Hank. He does manage to bring out high quality products for reasonable prices.

Have Hank build you an XPL-Hi V3 D18 and use Sony VTC6 batteries.

Tons of output, resulting in massive flood and solid throw.

Just email him about it. D18 is a superb light.

I actually love the smaller size. Coming from a Thrunite TN36 Limited and a couple Q8s, I feel spoiled every time I hold my D18.

My D18 with XP-L HI v2 5D measured 12,400 lumens at 2s after turn-on with fully charged VTC-6. I would love to see a D36 with buck/boost driver for stable output unlike the MF01s and D18 that just drops and drops in output. USB-C charging would be perfect. Either 6x21700 or 8x18650. But with these features, there’s no way it will cost less than $200. However, I would instantly buy it.

Yeah, that would be amazing. Hank, you reading this? :smiley:

Imalent’s quality is crap and their design is ugly IMO. Hank makes nice looking lights that are reliable. If he made a larger light with 20k+ lumens I would definitely buy it. He could even offer some lesser seen emitters like the 90 CRI XHP70.2 or 3000k/4000k XHP70.2. It would set him apart from other brands like Imalent that only offer generic “cool white” and “neutral white” (if there even is a NW option at all).

Emisar D18 is already very powerful. You did not provide any reason for wanting more lumens. The issue with you wanting more lumens is that you need a lot more lumens for the difference to be noticeable. D18 is already overpowered for its size and gets very hot very quickly.

It might not make much sense for Hank to make a significantly larger and more powerful flashlight than D18. However, I can think of a few ways a D18-sized flashlight could be improved without offering a lot more lumens.

Perhaps it could use 3x21700 batteries, which wouldn’t make the host much bigger, but it could allow for somewhat higher output and significantly increased runtime.

Perhaps it could have a quad SBT-90.2 option. That could perhaps output close to 20k lumens, and a lot more throw than any D18 today.

Perhaps there could be a USB port and it could work as a powerbank. I think this is a feature that would convince many to buy and carry a larger flashlight. It is probably not easy to implement, otherwise other flashlights with a USB port would already offer this capability.

Yeah, 3x21700 would be a noticable improvement in capacity. I still believe 6x18650 would be better and provide a more stable output.

When it comes to usb charging and powerbank, there shouldn’t be an issue as long as the USB ports are kept separated. One port sith chafging circuitry and one port for powerbank 5V out (separate boost driver).

I still believe that the adding usb charging is one of the things that would significantly improve the D18 without any other changes, and if hank added larger emitter availability, it would make it even better.

Something like an MF01S but with SST70s is what I would go for. Could make a good rival to the X80.

The D18 upgraded with the optics from the D4S and 3x21700. More throw and larger head with superior heatsinking capability.

Also a SBT90.2 K1 with a 2x21700 side by side battery tube and beefier head for extended runtime. Form factor similar to the eagtac M3C4.

I don’t know about all that…… Everytime I take my MS18 out for walks and fire it up yes I do cry but its tears of joy from uncontrollable maniacal laughter ! I also don’t think I’ll find a cheaper alternative that “could” suit me better either but if there is something that can rival that of a portable sun let me know I’ll look into it.

I don’t understand why you would want a 6x18650 form factor D18 that defeats the purpose of the “photon grenade”, Also whats the obsession with usb charging ? Not everyone wants usb charging with powerbank features…… that defeats the purpose of having a fully charged light for use imo, as for improving the D18 “significantly” with usb charging I would disagree its just another point of failure and why sideline a light to charge it when I’m pretty sure the majority of collectors in this niche hobby has chargers for cells already.

I would like something similar in size to an Astrolux MF02, with a combination of 2 or 3 lep for a 1.5 or 2 km of throw, 4 or 5 xhp70 for many flood lumens, maybe another 4 or 5 xp-l hi ( or another more appropriate led, say the experts) for the transition between the flooding of the xhp70 and the launching of the lep. Powered by 4 21700, and fan-cooled, of course with Andúril 2 (when released), what would you think of something like that?

Id be down for this