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Chatika vas Paus wrote:
Not only. Sofirn sells this flashlight guaranteeing IP68 protection

Pretty sure they sell the complete flashlight garanteeing IP protection, not the host which you (as you did) could screw up. Then again, I’m pretty sure they thought about that… isn’t there some sort of gasket to put in between? When I took apart mine (sp31) I remember there was something stopping water ingress.

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If Sofirn intends to sell a completely dismantled flashlight, it should be prepared that the plastic part that is machine pressed can be damaged if folded in another way.

If they had to be prepared for everything they couldn’t sell the host at all. The buyer is expected to have the nessasary tools and skills to assemble it… that’s the point of buying a host to play around with. Selling one to a person that, for example, can’t solder would be a waste of time.

Then again, It is good to know that it would be easier to have that part preassembled. But it’s kind of annoying if you list them as PROBLEMS when some are obviously to be expected (the driver thickness).

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RobinVC wrote:
If they had to be prepared for everything they couldn’t sell the host at all. The buyer is expected to have the nessasary tools and skills to assemble it… that’s the point of buying a host to play around with. Selling one to a person that, for example, can’t solder would be a waste of time.

Then again, It is good to know that it would be easier to have that part preassembled. But it’s kind of annoying if you list them as PROBLEMS when some are obviously to be expected (the driver thickness).


For the price of that host… Can’t really complain. $5.49…
Reminds me a lot of the old Thorfire I got “free for review” that I couldn’t stand. That entire style of switch is a hard pass for me. Completely destroys the ability to mod. Wouldn’t want to assemble, either, for reasons it seems you discovered…
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Yeh, gone are the good ol’ days of removable pills, simple tailswitches, interchangeable parts, and easy modding. I still got an assload of drivers, LEDs, etc., for modding the old-timers, but newer lights are nigh impossible to mod simply. Gotta drill this, grind that, epoxy-fill something else… nah.

I switched from even buying C8s, S2+es, etc., just to mod, to just getting off-the-rack lights and leaving them bone-stock. Also cut down my expenses from buying “host” lights on a whim, to only those that I can live with unmodded.

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The SC31 Pro sst-40 Anduril is a nice surprise. I didn’t see any dev discussion anywhere on this but just ordered one.

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Wow, they manufactured my SC31B modded light! surprisedsmile

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Tom E wrote:

Wow, they manufactured my SC31B modded light! surprisedsmile

Any chance you did a write up? I’m assuming the aux led was able to be controlled by Anduril?
I guess the sp10s Anduril is taking so long, this was next best upgrade.

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Well go figure! I just designed and ordered a Anduril-compatible FET+1 driver for the SC31B today. Facepalm

Though all is not lost, I made it (1) to retrofit lights I already have and (2) to serve as a testing host for TinyAVR 1-Series testing.

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Actually, I wonder if anyone would fancy a light-weight 14500/AA headlamp. Vapcell offered some high capacity 14500 cells, if I recall correctly. Certainly, this would not be a high performance headlamp but something with around 300 lumens. Sofirn's SP31 V2.0 uses a rather good CC driver but it may not work with AA batteries. I am just thinking/dreaming...

 

  • AA/14500 tube
  • as lightweight as possible (see Skilhunt/Zebralight headlamps for reference)
  • as short as possible, using pogo pins instead of springs
  • well-regulated boostdriver
  • Andúril UI (once the SP10S Andúril driver gets finished)
  • clear narrow beam TIR optic (SST20 4.000K 95CRI) + detachable diffusor lens to place in front of the TIR optic (see Skilhunt H03F for reference below)
  • AUX LED (SST20-DR or XP-E2 R/DR)
  • excellent maching / knurling (hommage to Charles BridgTec) Wink

 

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Actually, I wonder if anyone would fancy a light-weight 14500/AA headlamp. Vapcell offered some high capacity 14500 cells, if I recall correctly. Certainly, this would not be a high performance headlamp but something with around 300 lumens. Sofirn’s SP31 V2.0 uses a rather good CC driver but it may not work with AA batteries. I am just thinking/dreaming…


 



  • AA/14500 tube

  • as lightweight as possible (see Skilhunt/Zebralight headlamps for reference)

  • as short as possible, using pogo pins instead of springs

  • well-regulated boostdriver

  • Andúril UI (once the SP10S Andúril driver gets finished)

  • clear narrow beam TIR optic (SST20 4.000K 95CRI) + detachable diffusor lens to place in front of the TIR optic (see Skilhunt H03F for reference below)

  • AUX LED (SST20-DR or XP-E2 R/DR)

  • excellent maching / knurling (hommage to Charles BridgTec) Wink



 

I’d get one. I use my Manker E03 often and wouldn’t say no to another AA headlamp.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Actually, I wonder if anyone would fancy a light-weight 14500/AA headlamp.


I would be very interested is this!
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looks very intresting, might end up replacing my Skilhunt H03 as car/emergency head lamp

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A 300 lumen headlamp with Anduril? Why Anduril?

Headlamps should be super basic in operation. Sofirn need to target a larger audience than just us lot to make it worth while.

I sell to the average consumer in New Zealand and they hate Anduril as there’s way too much features and muggle mode has limited brightness which makes it useless to most who buy the headlamp/flashlight for the advertised lumens

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The SP40 UI is ok for a headlamp. Just add direct to low. For a more versatile light, add moon. Still, Anduril would work, too. And better.

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Funtastic wrote:
A 300 lumen headlamp with Anduril? Why Anduril? Headlamps should be super basic in operation. [...]

I'm torn if I should fully agree or disagree with you. Yes, a super-simple UI would fit best to an AA/14500 headlamp. One of these UIs that one can operate even under distress. One of these UIs that can still be used with closed eyes, with the headlamp mounted to your forehead. I talked to Barry (Sofirn) some minutes ago. He's totally in for an AA/14500 headlamp, using a simple UI.

Now, then there are those flash-o-maniacs here, the ones who really want to "fully loaded" version with all the nice benefits that Andúril can provide. Again, I agree that Andúril might be overstraining some customers, leading to a higher return rate for vendors, leading to many questions from customers and so on and so on... But still, there's a market (niche) for lights with a complex UI. Having the best of both worlds is hard to achieve. AFAIK, TK is about to unlock some features of the Muggle mode in Andúril 2.0, so maybe there's some silver lining on the horizon.

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jp9mm wrote:
Tom E wrote:

Wow, they manufactured my SC31B modded light! surprisedsmile

Any chance you did a write up? I'm assuming the aux led was able to be controlled by Anduril? I guess the sp10s Anduril is taking so long, this was next best upgrade.

Not sure if/where I posted it, but I can't upload pics right now - PhotoBucket trashed my account or something. Ever since their recent update, my uploading has been flaky at best.

It was a simple driver swap mod, using a DEL 85 FET+1 driver running Anduril with AUX LED support for the switch LED.

Ooops, here it is: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1665999#comment-1665999

 

 

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
a super-simple UI would fit best …

TK is about to unlock some features of the Muggle mode in Andúril 2…

The code is already working. Mostly just doing more testing and documentation now.

It uses a simple UI by default, but the extra features can be unlocked by people who want them. So, straight out of the box, it gives people access to on/off, up/down, lockout, battery check, and factory reset. If they want more, there’s a way to unlock it for full access to all the extra modes and features.

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Funtastic wrote:
A 300 lumen headlamp with Anduril? Why Anduril?

Headlamps should be super basic in operation. Sofirn need to target a larger audience than just us lot to make it worth while.

I sell to the average consumer in New Zealand and they hate Anduril as there’s way too much features and muggle mode has limited brightness which makes it useless to most who buy the headlamp/flashlight for the advertised lumens

Honestly agree to this. I wouldn’t mind a UI similar to the old Nitecore Tube
Single click to medium. Double to max
Hold from off to ramp to desired brightness (always start from low/firefly)
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I agree that Anduril2’s “simple UI” would probably be good for a headlamp. I’ve got RampingIOS / D4 V2 UI running on my main headlamp and I think brings some good advantages: lowest-possible low mode (for the host), smooth ramping, shortcuts to low & turbo, lockout, and temperature control. I feel like all of those are very beneficial in a headlamp without getting overly complicated. If Anduril2 can bring similar simple functionality yet offer the advance UI for enthusiasts… win win.

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Some things require going into advanced mode, of course… like, if the user wants to change the thermal limit, or if they want to enable full power turbo in the simple UI, the config settings are only available in advanced mode.

As for what power levels the simple UI will allow, that depends on the specific light. The default limits are set based on what makes sense for each host. The user can change it though, if they’re willing to go into advanced mode to access the config menus.

Usually the default floor starts a little higher than moon, so people won’t think the light is dead if they turn it on in a bright room and don’t see anything coming out. At the high end, the ceiling is generally set slightly higher than what the light can thermally sustain while tail-standing with a mild breeze. So, if the host is designed to sustain full power, they can use full power. If the host is a massively overpowered hot rod, the simple UI ceiling will be quite a bit lower than full power.

Shortcuts to floor and ceiling are included in the simple UI too, though I didn’t mention it earlier. However, turbo is blocked. Instead, double-click goes to the ceiling level.

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
I’m torn if I should fully agree or disagree with you. Yes, a super-simple UI would fit best to an AA/14500 headlamp. One of these UIs that one can operate even under distress. One of these UIs that can still be used with closed eyes, with the headlamp mounted to your forehead. I talked to Barry (Sofirn) some minutes ago. He’s totally in for an AA/14500 headlamp, using a simple UI.

Now, then there are those flash-o-maniacs here, the ones who really want to “fully loaded” version with all the nice benefits that Andúril can provide. Again, I agree that Andúril might be overstraining some customers, leading to a higher return rate for vendors, leading to many questions from customers and so on and so on… But still, there’s a market (niche) for lights with a complex UI. Having the best of both worlds is hard to achieve. AFAIK, TK is about to unlock some features of the Muggle mode in Andúril 2.0, so maybe there’s some silver lining on the horizon.

That’s kinda what I was going on about re the red SP10. Lotta people don’t want a UI, they want an OS.

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Funtastic wrote:
A 300 lumen headlamp with Anduril? Why Anduril?

Headlamps should be super basic in operation. Sofirn need to target a larger audience than just us lot to make it worth while.

I sell to the average consumer in New Zealand and they hate Anduril as there’s way too much features and muggle mode has limited brightness which makes it useless to most who buy the headlamp/flashlight for the advertised lumens

I… couldn’t be happier with Anduril on my Boruit D10. It’s fantastic. It’s not perfect – there’s no thermal sensor anywhere near the LED, for example (the driver actually gets warmer when charging than during turbo runs) – but the basics of the UI are just right for headlamp use, IMO. Although I guess that’s basically endorsing RampingIOS for headlamps…

Anyway, it’s absolutely crucial that there be a single 7135 on a separate channel to keep the moon mode low enough for a headlamp. Beyond that I don’t care if it’s FET+1 or FET+7+1 or FET+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1, it just needs to have a single 7135 channel or the moon won’t get low enough. So far I have a bunch of lights that use a 1×7135 channel for moonlights (Emisar D4, several Moonlight Special lights, FW3A, and now my Boruit D10) and they all get sufficiently low (sub-lumen). I’d love even lower, but that requires different driver technology. AMC7135 can only go so low.

Since this is a Sofirn thread, I’ll go ahead and advocate for the D25S by… whomever it’s getting branded by now, it was 77 Outdoors, and my understanding is it may or may not be affiliated with Sofirn. Anyway, Quadrupel makes a great Anduril driver for it (or the Boruit D10, either one will work).

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Some things require going into advanced mode, of course… like, if the user wants to change the thermal limit, or if they want to enable full power turbo in the simple UI, the config settings are only available in advanced mode.

As for what power levels the simple UI will allow, that depends on the specific light. The default limits are set based on what makes sense for each host. The user can change it though, if they’re willing to go into advanced mode to access the config menus.

Usually the default floor starts a little higher than moon, so people won’t think the light is dead if they turn it on in a bright room and don’t see anything coming out. At the high end, the ceiling is generally set slightly higher than what the light can thermally sustain while tail-standing with a mild breeze. So, if the host is designed to sustain full power, they can use full power. If the host is a massively overpowered hot rod, the simple UI ceiling will be quite a bit lower than full power.

Shortcuts to floor and ceiling are included in the simple UI too, though I didn’t mention it earlier. However, turbo is blocked. Instead, double-click goes to the ceiling level.

Really? That sounds awesome.

I only checked that thread at the beginning where you said the simple ui would be a little higher than muggle mode.

If full power can be activated in the simple ui, then I’m all for it.

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Being a former high tech dude who interfaced between it all… when it came to code, manufacturing often had problems keeping up on things. We’ve seen this happen with Sofirn loading old anduril releases on newer lights.

If it were just one model, it would be easy. But with hardware components changing due to supplier shortages, costs ALWAYS being pushed down, and different (new) lights coming out of engineering (which can use “this”, but not “that”) it can be a perpetual challenge in this market to deliver correctly configured lights.

That is why TKs new Anduril idea is coolest of all if I’m reading it right. IF the muggle customer will ALWAYS be happy (with the new front end always in place that works with a large majority of the hardware out there), then we tweakers can get what we want after unlocking the code.

But I do foresee more demand for network (or USB) updates upcoming and still wonder if there are any lights yet that are physically ported to the USB connector for “firmware” updates? This would also be handy in the event a dealer like Funtastic got a bad batch of coded lights where he could plug n’ play corrected updates from the manufacturer via email attached or downloaded code. Or he might also keep different code sets for different customers and load em’ up while running the credit card. Wink

Of course, BLF would suddenly have new Jr. coders working “tweaks” like they have the hardware all these years too. But it IS that spirit that HAS impacted light manufacturers like Sofirn in a very positive way (re. the quality and service we get today!) Thumbs Up

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network (or USB) updates … any lights yet that are physically ported to the USB connector for “firmware” updates? This would also be handy in the event a dealer like Funtastic got a bad batch of coded lights where he could plug n’ play corrected updates from the manufacturer via email attached or downloaded code. Or he might also keep different code sets for different customers and load em’ up while running the credit card.

I’ve been hoping someone would offer lights with the customer’s choice of UI, and flash the firmware before shipping each light. One UI can’t be and do everything for everyone, but if people had a choice of several UIs at purchase time, that could make a lot more people happy.

But it hasn’t happened yet. Many of the hardware parts are already in place, with a few companies using easy reflashing pads, but there are only a few UIs to choose from so far, and I don’t yet have a full build system in place to build every UI for every device. A big part of why is that almost no one has showed interest in using or making other UIs. I mostly just get people asking for deep, dramatic changes in Anduril… even though what they really seem to want is a completely different UI.

As for USB, it’d be cool, but it’s difficult to fit a USB port and the extra hardware required for flashing into small lights. It’s more doable on larger lights, but hasn’t happened yet. It’s simpler and easier, mostly, to use a little USB-to-ISP flashing adapter instead.

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Of course, BLF would suddenly have new Jr. coders working “tweaks” like they have the hardware all these years too.

There are a few people who make or tweak firmware. Some have put huge amounts of work into it, like Tom E with NarsilM. Starting from scratch like that is hard though, programming on “bare metal”, as it were. So I’ve tried to make it easier for new people to get involved, by abstracting out the hardware details and providing a UI toolkit. But it’s still a work in progress.

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Funtastic wrote:
A 300 lumen headlamp with Anduril? Why Anduril? Headlamps should be super basic in operation. […]

I’m torn if I should fully agree or disagree with you. Yes, a super-simple UI would fit best to an AA/14500 headlamp. One of these UIs that one can operate even under distress. One of these UIs that can still be used with closed eyes, with the headlamp mounted to your forehead. I talked to Barry (Sofirn) some minutes ago. He’s totally in for an AA/14500 headlamp, using a simple UI.


Now, then there are those flash-o-maniacs here, the ones who really want to “fully loaded” version with all the nice benefits that Andúril can provide. Again, I agree that Andúril might be overstraining some customers, leading to a higher return rate for vendors, leading to many questions from customers and so on and so on… But still, there’s a market (niche) for lights with a complex UI. Having the best of both worlds is hard to achieve. AFAIK, TK is about to unlock some features of the Muggle mode in Andúril 2.0, so maybe there’s some silver lining on the horizon.


Moon mode sub lumen and smooth ramping UI .Easy access for change Lens Red aux Leds and body color
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I loved an edcable small sized headlamp. I can also use them as handheld light.

With nice color. My sofirn collection will grow lol

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The SC31 Pro looks very interesting.

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I’m waiting for Anduril V2, the sooner it’s implemented the better

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Ahh… I tried to wait! Facepalm

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