[UPDATED M4D deal] Manker “EDC Muscle Combo – BLF Limited”

Does an unprotected 18350, like the keeppower UH1835P work in the 18350 tube?

Edit: oops nevermind, accidentally skipped a page and now see that Manker answered this question.

You will not see one anytime soon if ever. The GB closes on August 20. Maybe one out of the 75 or so orders from this GB might spend the time to do a run time curve but then you won’t be paying this price.

You can watch Vinh’s videos of these lights to give you an idea

Review is in progress on 1lumen:

So I’m hoping the review is almost done.
If the runtime graph looks like the FC11 it’s instant no go for me.

Is there any reason why it should? I’m not familiar with the runtime graph of the FC11 but they don’t seem to be similar or related lights in any way.

It shouldn’t look like the direct drive runtime like on the FC11 based on an uninformed glance at the MC13’s driver. Exterior appearance has nothing to do with runtime graphs when both lights are running under thermal limit. It’s all about the LED driver and firmware. The FC11 just keeps dropping in output even when not thermally stressed whereas something like a Zebralight will run constant output all the way till the battery low given that it is under thermal limit.

Ah, fair enough. So the example of the FC11 was just an example of really poor management. I’m still getting my head around a lot of this stuff as I’ve only been back in the game for a few months. It was years before that that I last bought a new light.

If so then this group buy should be a killer combo for you. A flooder and a thrower incl batteries for $111 dollarydoos is a darn good deal IMO. If these drivers are as efficient as Olight drivers that would be really nice.

My thoughts exactly. From my view the reviews seem good enough for me that I’ll take a chance. Definitely need to start studying runtime graphs though.

Let me know if you have any questions but I’m glad that you’re paying attention to the runtime graphs and general efficiency. I can’t speak for BLF as I’m not on here often but a lot of people on the Reddit /r/flashlight don’t really care about driver efficiency beyond “ZEBRALIGHT GOOD” and there are a lot who are uninformed and some who are misinformed.

Most of my info has been gathered from Reddit up til now. You’re right about the lack of discussion there. It’s mostly photos of beam shots and collections/new lights. Still fun but not that informative. Drivers and the differences are something I need to get into. Any suggestions for good places to start?

A lot of the problem comes down to format. ToyKeeper said it better than I could here :

I’d probably start with some searches of this forum or a trip to the flashlight wiki. There’s a lot to unpack and that question is super broad. What were you wondering about?

Good post to get acquainted to the various types of drivers and how they differ.

I don’t know the specifics of the circuitry myself but this community has no small amount of engineers and even some who design drivers for production lights like Lexel.

ZeroAir Reviews has graphs for the largest amount of lights and he includes temperature data as well which is rly good.

I signed up too.

Lights were received yesterday and things are looking good! I’m hoping to get runtime graphs put together this weekend and will hopefully have the review posted within a week.

Awesome! Can I ask a huge favor? If the review is not ready for publishing before the 20th could you post a sneak preview of the runtime graphs for the high mode early? IDK about other people but for a small 18350 light like this, an efficient driver is the deciding factor for me.

If not then I’ll be keen to read your review on these lights when you post it. They look amazing and I haven’t found reviews on these lights online yet.

I’m in for 2, thanks Martin!

There is a video of the E14 III here: - YouTube

Can someone translate what he is saying around 04:10 regarding protected/unprotected 18650 cells ? Does he say unprotected cells are too short ?

Not an example of poor management but a whole different category of budget. While the beforehand mentioned Zebralight flashlights target consumers with figuratively big pockets, Wurkkos's FC11 is a true budget flashlight for less than $30 including battery and some more accessories that Zebralight will not even supply with their lights for prices of $ 80 and more. So, it's like comparing apples and pears. If you want a flashlight with a fully regulated buck/boost driver, you will definitely need to pay more than $ 30.

how much is the shipping to Macedonia?

Signed up for the pair. I already bought the E14 III. Shipped fast too. I want another and that little thrower looks nice. I got the Acebeam E10 and a Catapult V6 but, I’d find a good use for the thrower.

Thanks MAX