Rosy!(ish)/Neutral - Manker E02 II (Possibly FA3?)

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Rosy!(ish)/Neutral - Manker E02 II (Possibly FA3?)

I finally got my Manker E02 II and to my surprise the tint on the SST20 is… rosy. I’m not sure if it’s just luck or what bin they managed to get from these but when I turn on the light, even on the moonlight modes (low enough to look directly at the led) the center and edges of the TIR are visibly rosy. The “corona” portion is yellowish, so it averages out to about a neutral beam tint. I compared it to my 4500k E21a D4v2 and I would say it’s about the same tint, just warmer of course at 4000k.

I am pleasantly surprised, as my other SST20 4000k lights are basically all yellow, even up to about 600 lumens.

High Five Manker!

I very much love this little light, even more than I thought with this great tint. I was planning to try to reflow a LH351 onto it and add a minus-green filter, but I’m definitely keeping it as is now.

Also, this thing has a SUPER low moonlight. Noticibly lower than the .04 lumen mode on my SC700d, I would estimate about .01 lumen or even lower. The next step up from there is probably close to .04, then another good step from there to maybe .2, with a few more steps after, going up to what I would call a “low” mode at the highest.

I will update this with more impressions when I have later.

Update: AAA “turbo” runtime test:

I put a fully charged Ikea LADDA 900, hit turbo, and ran a timer. At about the 2.5 min mark, it slowly dimmed down over 30 seconds to the “high” mode right at 3 minutes. So that’s about as claimed as far as step-down goes. I repeated this by resetting turbo immediately at the 3 minute mark (plus or minus a few seconds) repeatedly until the light dropped to moonlight mode. It did this at about 30 seconds on the 8th run. So total runtime at max lumens works out to about 18 minutes. If you add in the stepdown fade (so the full 3 minutes) we will call it 21.5 minutes. I prefer to call it 18 minutes.

I adjusted the moonlight mode to the highest (~10 lumens?) setting and am going to see how long it runs until it shuts off.

Update: It went about ~30 minutes after stepdown from high, on the ~10 lumen level, before shutting off.

Also, I received my second E02 II from Amazon today, and it has just as good of a tint! Unless I am just getting lucky twice (and the others here also got lucky) it’s looking like these lights just might have good tint across the board.

Updated Thread title to be more accurate, now that more info/measurements are available. I don’t want to mislead anyone.

Edited by: lukehale on 08/21/2020 - 17:22
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If you say it matches the rosiness of the 4500k E21A in the D4v2, then it is very rosy! Even the rosiest SST-20 FA3 tint I’ve ever seen which is in the FF E07, it is nowhere near as rosy as Hank’s batch of the 4500k E21A. Thanks for sharing. I’ll be ordering one when the MC13 and E14 III Muscle combo gb.

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SKV89 wrote:
If you say it matches the rosiness of the 4500k E21A in the D4v2, then it is very rosy! Even the rosiest SST-20 FA3 tint I’ve ever seen which is in the FF E07, it is nowhere near as rosy as Hank’s batch of the 4500k E21A. Thanks for sharing. I’ll be ordering one when the MC13 and E14 III Muscle combo gb.

To be fair, my D4v2 is only what I would call very slightly rosy, closer to neutral. In fact I wouldn’t describe my E21as as rosy until almost turbo, unfortunately. I think I probably got one of the less rosy ones with mine. Still a great tint, going from neutral to rosy and never green, but not even close to the 219B in my Pineapple Mini, nor even as rosy on the lower levels as my Manker E21 which has a warmer 219B (I think it’s SW40). But even putting the E02 and the E21 next to each other in a direct comparison, it doesn’t make it look green, it just looks like… rosy and neutral.

I’m just sitting here now comparing tints over and over again just to see where it falls in relative Rosy-ness… And the medium level of this E02 II is rosier than my D4v2 on it’s lower levels.

Rosy Level Highest to lowest…

Pineapple Mini > E21 > D4v2 Turbo > D4v2 ~300 lumens = E02 II High > E02 II Low Modes > D4v2 Low/Medium (~75lumens)

I don’t think it ever gets down to “green” on that list. Again, this is all my subjective impressions and the Pineapple Mini (sw45k) is WAY rosier, to the level of being purple, but still… I was not expecting it to be as good as it is.

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Additional update, been playing with it a bit more, and I added a lee 804 minus green filter just to see what it looks like, and even at the 5 lumens level it’s now about half as rosy as the Pineapple mini 219b, and definitely more rosy than all the others.

Also doing a runtime test and so far it appears Manker’s listed numbers are BEFORE step-down, as I just just over 30 minutes at the 220 lumen high level (it does step down from 420 to 220 after 3 minutes, even though forgot to put that in the specs, just like it does from 220 to 90 on AAA) with a not quite fully charged 350mAh EBL 10440. It then dropped down to the 5 lumen “moonlight” mode and has been running at that level for about 50 minutes and hasn’t dimmed. It is still possible to ramp up to the highest “moonlight” mode of 30 lumens as well, so it appears to just step-down to your memorized moonlight setting. After this run I will test if that’s the case. Overall I’m very impressed with this light, I just wish the 10440 could still do at least a .5 lumen moonlight instead of moonlight just becoming a set of low modes from 5-30 lumens though.

Update: It went about an hour, then it started to dim, so clearly fell out of regulation. I tried to ramp it up to see what would happen and it just cut off. I was able to get about 30 seconds on the 30 lumen low and then it cut off. So it appears to just, drop to your moonlight until it cuts off, but it doesn’t step down from whatever your moonlight setting is, it just stays there until it cuts off.

I will keep this thread updated as I test more

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Manker, hope you can make an effort to get more rosy colored tint bins like the Cree 5A, 5D tints for the warm white or neutral white options. For example, Hank’s emitters are generally rosy tint bins and so are Armyteks.

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Lukehale, if possible can you post some beamshot pics of the SST-20 in comparison to your other lights? I’ve generally gotten very green tints in my SST-20s from Convoy and Sofirn, and my first one with a nice tint was my recently obtained D4v2. I’m generally wary of ordering SST-20s lights, unless I can verify their tint bin first.

I would consider my Nichia 219B SW45k light as very rosy and though I like the tint on my D4v2 I wouldn’t classify it as rosy. I’m also on the groupbuy for the MC13 and E14 III muscle combo, and would be interested in the SST-20 variant if it has a nice tint.

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Mankerlight wrote:

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Ordered one, be here Sunday.
Thx

“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it sometimes rhymes,” Mark Twain

After the Apocalypse there will be only 2 things left alive, Cockroaches and Keith Richards

“You’ll develop like a herd mentality,”
“It’s gonna be herd-developed and that’s gonna happen.”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygwFxRf4Bbg

The tint does look good in this video

I ordered one from Amazon and will test it with a spectrometer. Cool

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It’s IS good (for SST-20)

NiMH low / turbo

Li-ion low / turbo

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Wow!

Just received it and it is smaller than the original E02 in every aspect.
Magnet pull is not as strong, may very well be same magnet but the old one has the magnet mounted externally which gives it an advantage.
Regardless, strong enough to hold upside down/side.etc.

The low at lowest level when using AAA eneloop is so low you have to get it near your eye in daylight to see if it is on.
Probably want to physically lock out when if stored in a room that doesn’t get used when pitch black or never get real dark as it could be easily left on that Cats Eye mode and create a slow drain issue.

Changes mode from med to high by holding button and it switches rather fast, if you continue to hold it will oscillate up and down.
Quick click for on-off, hold for Moon, double click for Turbo.
No weird engineer mode, beacon, etc.

Tint is very nice as noted by the OP.
Hold it’s own against my original E02 with the Nichia.
Will really be able to test this evening in dark bedroom.

Clip has only one grove for mounting.
New version rides much deeper in pocket, also new is the metal button switch so you will not have to worry about the rubber wearing away.

All in all, call this one a Keeper and a Winner.
Great job Manker!

And yes I paid full price for this, so no artificial fanboy review here.
Later,
Keith

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“You’ll develop like a herd mentality,”
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Its a neat light.

A low mode would be nice (firefly to mid is a big jump)

There is no delay for presses so going to turbo blinks the light off very briefly (annoying)

Everything else is great

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Sorry for the lack of update/responses from me so far, but I’m glad that my eyeball tint estimation is at least pretty good! I’m pretty excited about this light, I ordered another from Amazon (first was direct from Manker), and I might get more.

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In the first version of the E02, more than 20 brightness levels could be adjusted in low mode. Can I adjust the low mode in the second version of the flashlight ?

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How reliable is the tint of Manker lights? From the clearance I got two E02 with 219C LEDs. They are very different.

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Is the tail magnet removable?

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dk21291 wrote:
Is the tail magnet removable?

Yes

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I have one coming on Wednesday from Amazon. Had to order the headband separately from Manker (doesn’t seem like my current headbands would fit this little guy).

Looks like a wonderful light. I’m really looking forward to it. Will probably stash it and the headband in my daily carry backpack.

Thanks for the write-up!

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Updated OP with additional AAA runtime test, in progress.

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lukehale wrote:
Updated OP with additional AAA runtime test, in progress.

Thank you for the review.
Would you mind having a beam shot comparison? Just curious how much rosy of this SST-20. I have a couple of 4000k-5000k and 6500k SST-20 but none of them are rosy. Facepalm

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Anthony Nguyenn wrote:
lukehale wrote:
Updated OP with additional AAA runtime test, in progress.
Thank you for the review. Would you mind having a beam shot comparison? Just curious how much rosy of this SST-20. I have a couple of 4000k-5000k and 6500k SST-20 but none of them are rosy. Facepalm

I have no experience doing beam-shots, so I can’t make any promises yet, but I am certainly going to make an attempt at it when I have time.

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Updated runtime for AAA, as well as “impressions” of second E02 II received from Amazon.

TLDR: Indistinguishable tint quality

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It’s not rosy but it might appear as such next to higher Duv light. Most indoor and ambient light is above BBL in most peoples houses so by comparison this light very near to BBL is pleasing tint but not this overly rosy sw45k look people chase.

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I find 9080 Leds with Rosy tint therapeutic for humor when gray days come in winter.
Hope they will be more popular and easy to find

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I snagged one of these after seeing this thread. Mine only looks rosy next to something with a green tint, next to a couple Nichia’s it looks dead neutral. Very happy with it, neat little light and great tint.

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I like the look of the light design but hates AAA.

Much prefer AA battery version so is there a possibility making?

Nico -.-

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Nicolicous wrote:
I like the look of the light design but hates AAA.

Much prefer AA battery version so is there a possibility making?

They are re-doing e03h AA version too I think

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On turbo with a AAA battery, I measured 3926K, DUV 0.0004, CRI 96.9, R9 91.0

It is about the same level of rosiness as the FA3 tint in the Fireflies E07 at about the same output. So it is a very neutral tint but not rosy.

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SKV89 wrote:
On turbo with a AAA battery, I measured 3926K, DUV 0.0004, CRI 96.9, R9 91.0

It is about the same level of rosiness as the FA3 tint in the Fireflies E07 at about the same output. So it is a very neutral tint but not rosy.

Yeah, I have updated it to “rosy(ish)” because of all these comments and because my initial impression of “The “corona” portion is yellowish, so it averages out to about a neutral beam tint.” is probably the most accurate description in my original post.

I can’t measure the duv myself since I don’t have the capability, but based on my comparisons with other lights I have, I am thinking mine drops below the BBL on the highest modes, so, I’m gonna stick with “ish”. I certainly appreciate people with real measurements to show I’m not TOTALLY off, and mine being below the BBL on higher modes isn’t unrealistic.

Thank you for all the real measurements and feedback!

So without any confirmation from Manker we don’t know for sure, but would it be safe to assume these are probably FA3 bin? Considering there hasn’t been much reports of anyone getting a green tinted one?

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